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I expect you're referring to that obsessional idiot JTT. ...To me, he/she/it is no different than an hysterical right-wing propagandist, like Okie or H2Oman.

I expect you're referring to that obsessional idiot JTT. I can't be sure, because as is said, i don't read its posts. I'm not going to read Aidan's posts, either, if she continues to quote it.

He/she/it's an hysterical left-wing propagandist. It appears he/she/it only reads and believes other hysterical left-wing propagandists. To me, he/she/it is no different than an hysterical right-wing propagandist, like Okie or H2Oman.

True - but readers of his malicious fantasies owe it to their own readers

The only times I read his posts is when someone else quotes them

Setanta, the "historian" writes, yet again:

The first time Aidan quoted JTT, the claim was that the Vietnam War was an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation, and those who participated as members of the army or Marines were therefore criminal. I pointed out why this was not true, and that in fact if the RV was a sovereign nation, it was their right to join SEATO and to accept American troops in their territory. I don't, of course, know if the clown JTT actually responded to my dismissal of that silly claim because i don't read its posts. I'm not now reading Aidan's posts because she's been quoting him. It would be interesting (slightly) to know if the clown made any attempt to rebut my remarks, but not interesting enough to lead me to actually read any of the drivel it routinely posts.

Set wrote in another thread:

There are a lot of people who abuse history for political reasons, including academic "historians", who, in my experience, are the ones most likely to do it. Conflating political points of view with historical synthesis is the bane of good historiography, and explains to a large extent why people are so dismissive of history and its study.

After Geneva, the U.S. replaced France as South Vietnam's chief sponsor and financial backer, but there never was a treaty between the U.S. and South Vietnam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

SEATO , alliance organized (1954) under the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty by representatives of Australia, France, Great Britain, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, and the United States.

Established under Western auspices after the French withdrawal from Indochina, SEATO was created to oppose further Communist gains in Southeast Asia. The treaty was supplemented by a Pacific Charter, affirming the rights of Asian and Pacific peoples to equality and self-determination

Set wrote: People like JTT aren't concerned with fact-checking--

Federal Government, American Constitutional Crisis

"Let the eye of vigilance never be closed."

-Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1821.

Daniel Ellsberg is a former U.S. Marine and military analyst who precipitated a constitutional crisis in 1971 when he released the "Pentagon Papers." The papers comprised the U.S. military's account of theater activities during the Vietnam War. Ellsberg released top secret documents to The New York Times. His release of the Pentagon Papers succeeded in substantially eroding public support for the Vietnam War. A succession of related events, including Watergate, eventually led to President Richard M. Nixon's resignation.

The Pentagon Papers were mostly an indictment of the Democratic administration of Lyndon B. Johnson, but they fed the Nixon administration's preoccupation with finding information and document leakers. They eventually led to the secret White House "Plumbers" group and then to Watergate. In its turn, Watergate led to the first resignation of an American president, Richard M. Nixon. The Pentagon Papers contained plans to invade Vietnam, even though President Johnson had told the public that he had no intention to stage an invasion.

The full passage reads: "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever pretensions of politicians, pedagogues other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212383-V...aduation-Speech

Setanta whines:

I'm not now reading Aidan's posts because she's been quoting him.

The U.S. troops in Vietnam were mostly draftees, drawn disproportionately from the worst-off quarters of the population: poor and black. Better-off young men, predominantly white college students, managed in one way or another -- including leaving the country in great numbers -- to avoid the draft; they and their families were the main support for the politically crucial draft resistance movement.

Myth: The war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.

Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers.

Vietnam Veterans were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better.

None of that drivel supports the outrageous statement to which i objected, which was the entirely specious claim that the United States illegally occupied a sovereign nation, and that therefore the American participants in that war were criminal.