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Australian sold down the river

 
 
Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 01:10 pm
On BBC radio, it was claimed that Australian troops were sent to fight in the Vietnam war, because the Australian PM/ministers/business leaders were given to understand (from the USA) that Australian big business would gain financially from U.S. contracts, if Australian forces were sent to Vietnam. It is most upsetting to think that Australians died for the "bloody" US Dollar. Is the BBC claim true.
 
roger
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 01:51 pm
@Germanicus,
They might as well fought on the Chinese, if they were looking for foreign investment.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 02:21 pm
@Germanicus,
What was BBC radio's evidence?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 05:01 am
@roger,
Nice diversion, Roger.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 05:24 am
@dlowan,
Is that a serious question?
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 07:53 am
@Germanicus,
Germanicus wrote:
Is the BBC claim true.


Do they have question marks on your planet.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 07:59 am
Australia was a member of SEATO, the South East Asian Treaty Organization, which was modeled on NATO. They sent troops--the Philippines were a member of SEATO, they sent troops. The Republic of Korea was a member of SEATO, and they sent troops. It may well be that Australian businesses benefited from American contracts, but that does not constitute evidence that their nation was coerced into going the war on such a basis. This is the same kind of reasoning which the rooster employs when he tells himself that his crowing made the sun rise.
Germanicus
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 02:05 pm
@dlowan,
The BBC World Service has a series about Eyewitness to History (a regular 10 minute programme). It may have been on that, it came from an Australian contribution. I am not a racial bigot, but am always willing to think badly of politicians - after all, who would have thought that Roosevelt considered a US invasion of Canada sometimes in the 1920's or 1930's (See Google, the Guardian (UK) and Channel 4 (UK) programme.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 03:19 pm
@Germanicus,
Germanicus wrote:
who would have thought that Roosevelt considered a US invasion of Canada sometimes in the 1920's or 1930's


The 1930 War Plan Red. He didn't 'consider' it. The US military drew up a number of plans for hypothetical future scenarios All governments make 'worst case scenario' contingency plans which are kept under wraps from the public. The plan was one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China. There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.


JTT
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 10:52 am
@Setanta,
Here we go again with Setanta trying to explain away US [and his] involvement in one of the most massive war crimes of the 20th century - Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Millions slaughtered just because the US wanted to take over control of the wealth that had been the province of the European powers.
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Bootlace
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2013 01:12 pm
All the way with LBJ.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 11:10 am
@Germanicus,
I've spent quite a bit of time on the BBC website searching to see if I can find anything resembling your claims. I can't. Either you didn't hear it on the BBC, and it was another radio station, or you're making it up. If you make claims like this you should post links to your source(s), that's if you want to be believed.
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 06:27 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, it's not exactly a far fetched claim (after all, it's not hard to imagine Australia benefiting from US contracts), although properly phrased - it would only be one of many considerations regarding Australia going to Vietnam.

But more to the point, since WW2, Australia has always supported the US in it's Military strategies/wars.

Prior to WW2, Australia always supported Britain in it's military strategies/wars.

The world was changing and Australia, which is a vast and underpopulated country, does not have the military ability to properly defend itself from invasion. So it has always looked to a protector. The only way to ensure that is to publicly bind itself to that protector.

Quite frankly, if Indonesia decided to build a flotilla of small craft, and send a few million farmers to take over and develop the west coast of Australia, I doubt there is anything anyone could do to properly stop it. Australia steps very carefully around Indonesian 'politics' - despite the atrocities that have occurred on our doorstep at the hands of the Indonesian military (ie. their 'politics' - in Indonesia itself, in East Timor, and in West Papua - the latter which is still an occupied country that is in no way shape or form, Indonesian).
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 08:10 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
The plan was one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands


Yeah, those islands have always represented a major threat to the USA. So much so that the US actually invaded most, all of them [??] just to prevent that overwhelming threat to its "national security", which is really code/cover for "our thieving policy".

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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 08:38 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
The plan was one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China. There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.


Aren't you the one that frequently tells OriStar that he should provide links, C?

The plans, revealed in a Channel 5 documentary, were one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China. There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
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