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Is it fair to arbitrarily increase punishment to your child?

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 11:29 am
i am an itheist, i'm pretty sure there is no god, but if there is, its me
Pemerson
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 11:30 am
I don't believe in this sort of silly punishment, which awakens anger in a kid.
If my kid didn't make his bed he wouldn't eat breakfast until the bed is made.
Punishments should be dealt with at the time of the misbehavior. That's how you train a horse.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 11:34 am
@Pemerson,
wow, hows your kid do at show jumping Razz
Pemerson
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 12:04 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

wow, hows your kid do at show jumping Razz


He doesn't do show jumping. But, I can't believe what he does in his own home now, things he never liked to do growing up. I guess you'd call it self-discipline. It isn't fair to bring up a child with no discipline. Overdoing it, arbitrarily adding punishment on top of punishment, wouldn't set well over the years. That's torture and could result in a very unhappy camper.

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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 01:09 pm
@djjd62,
Wouldn't that make you a metheist?
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 01:32 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:

chai2 wrote:

This isn't phycho babble, it simply answers the question.

You never said this was supposed to end up a conversation on religion.

That's quite deceptive of you.

"I am not here"?
What does that mean?



It means you did not read the whole sentence.
I will blame my Franglais if you do not understand it though.

Will you answer the question now and indicate if you are a theist or is it still beyond you?

regards
DL


Well, I have anwered the question, very clearly.
You never asked anyone until late in the game if they are a theist, so how could it be beyond me?

You're doing what you proposed in your OP.

You only asked people in the initial post if they thought the situation was fair. After the fact you arbitrarily bring up this theist business.

I made my bed, you can't ground me now by making up more rules after the fact.

I'm going over to Mame's house, and you can't stop me.

You're not my real dad.



Mame
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 01:36 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:


You're not my real dad.



F**K that was funny! You and dj are twins, I swear Smile
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 01:48 pm
@Mame,
Hey, your mom's not home, let's go mess up her bed.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 01:55 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:

I am looking for theists and their view and will show the religious relevance when a few are here and have answered this KIS question.

DL


If this is what your are looking for, why, praytell, didn't you ask in the OP as you so fondly call it?

PS I never answer KIS questions.
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 02:03 pm
I'm getting bored - all this waiting ... think I'll take my ball and go home. Or maybe over to Chai's house. Go play with her not-real dad's shaving cream.
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:


PS I never answer KIS questions.


Kaspersky Internet Security?
roger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:42 pm
@chai2,
Is that the good one, Chai? Serious question.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:47 pm
@roger,
serious answer - yes
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:52 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Is that the good one, Chai? Serious question.


I dunno, when I googled KIS, that was the foist ting that came up.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:53 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Wouldn't that make you a metheist?


hmmmm, after ripping the old insulation out of the laundry room walls last year, i might have mesothelioma, does that count Confused
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 06:55 pm
@djjd62,
Laughing Laughing Laughing

oh christ... Laughing Laughing

<wipes eyes>
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wayne
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 07:34 pm
@Greatest I am,
Greatest I am wrote:

Is it fair to arbitrarily increase punishment to your child?

If you were to tell your child that if he or she did a certain sin or mistake, you would implement a certain punishment, and when that infraction took place, you added a number of extra punishment, would you think you were acting in a fair and just manner?

A scenario would go like this.
If you told your son, if you do not make your bed, I will ground you for 2 days.
That same day, he did not or refused to make his bed.
You confront him and say that he is grounded for 2 days. At the same time, you tell him that he is also grounded for a further week and also looses all T V privileges and must also do the dishes for a month.

Do you think you have dealt fairly with your child?

Regards
DL


I suppose it's all about how far you want to go with this.
When raising children, punishment should be about teaching them that there are consequences to our actions and inactions. On the one hand, the world doesn't always make us aware of all the consequences upfront. So there is that lesson in truth.
On the other hand, an unmade bed carries it's own set of consequences.
If the issue is actually the bed, why the extra consequences?
On face value, the issue seems to be one of control rather than the unmade bed. Forget the bed, you will do as I say, or there will be consequences.
If that is the lesson ( and I think it is) the point should be clarified with the child or the lesson will fail, resulting in a fractured relationship, which happens more often than not.

To sum up; It is unfair to punish arbitrarily.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 08:58 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Not making the bed is the original sin.
Refusing to make bed is insubordination, which is additional sinnin'. Lay it on.
His counterargument and refutation of "insubordination" is: " I am NOT your slave."
He can cite to the 13th Amendment.





David
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 09:50 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

i am an itheist, i'm pretty sure there is no god, but if there is, its me


Rather Gnostic but you are right. I hope you feel it as well as know it.
Pass on that truth with as much force as you can.
People need to realize it.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 09:52 am
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:

I don't believe in this sort of silly punishment, which awakens anger in a kid.
If my kid didn't make his bed he wouldn't eat breakfast until the bed is made.
Punishments should be dealt with at the time of the misbehavior. That's how you train a horse.


What a goof.
You say you do not believe in one silly punishment then change it to another silly punishment.

Real bright.

Regards
DL
 

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