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Is religion a psychological problem?

 
 
north
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 08:33 pm
@Arjuna,
Arjuna wrote:

reasoning logic wrote:

From my studies it seems that christianity may have come from budha, But I can not say for sure.
It's possible that Buddhist influence was present. Christianity is a fusion of the ethical outlooks of several distinct cultures.

Christianity was born out of a social crisis. At the core was the same ideas we've been talking about... how the individual engages the rest of his kind. To be an individual one must be separate. Events can unfold which produce pressure to let go of that separation and become one with the group. The Israelite perspective involved an intense protection of the group identity. When the aforementioned pressure to assimilate appeared, a psychic conflict developed which produced Christianity as a resolution.

My two cents worth on this topic goes on and on too. Very Happy


so stress then caused the imagination to come up with some way of dealing with the reality of things the way they are , regardless of ones religion
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Arjuna
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 08:41 pm
Stress is productive. When you were born you didn't have a patella (knee cap.) When you first got up and started to walk, the physical stress activated the growth of the object you would eventually need to walk as an adult.

The same thing is true psychologically.
north
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 08:53 pm
@Arjuna,
Arjuna wrote:

Stress is productive. When you were born you didn't have a patella (knee cap.) When you first got up and started to walk, the physical stress activated the growth of the object you would eventually need to walk as an adult.

The same thing is true psychologically.


so religion is the same physiology ?
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 10:47 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

When you say this, you speak as if if you seem to know the possibilities of humans! your qoute: [That seems like it would be somewhat a biological impossibility. it also seems like a sociological impossibility.

I am not sure that I would set a limit on what human beings are capable of accomplishing when the use of reason and logic are used instead of the traditions of man.

We have no idea of what we are able to accomplish or do we?

Maybe I have way to much hope for mine and your descendents than what is realistic?


I can't predict the future but I am fairly certain logic and reason is not going to surpass biological programming anytime soon. I was not setting a pessimistic view of humanity. In fact I think the grouping is what makes us who we are good and bad. Without it we would not be wonderful beings we are. We would be veritable automatons without individuality, without love, without familial bond. I doubt we would even survive having no sense of self and little sense of other and really nothing or no-one to live for. The passion we have in life that generates love and happiness is the direct result of our ability to bond. Without the other we really do not have ourselves. Possibly this is what we should strive for elimination of the self. It seems the goal of several traditions. It seems the best manner to either eliminate suffering or create ultimate suffering. Eliminate all selves and everyone is as one' self. Eliminate all selves and everyone fights with the notion that there should be one. I can't make that call.
north
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 11:00 pm

once we get to the point where we throw off the religion suit of suppression of thought towards ourselves , Humanity , we will be free
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 12:47 am
@north,
Free from what?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 06:15 am
@GoshisDead,
Your quote: [I am fairly certain logic and reason is not going to surpass biological programming anytime soon.] I agree with your quote. When I speak of a need to have only one group I am refering to how our ethical radius is measured.


I would like to see everyone in the world treated the same way you treat your own family. I would also like to see you work on building your compassion toward your family and others by not indirectly taking advantage of their intellectual and environmental challenges.

This alone could end group over time. maybe a few thousand years if it were taught as a psychological way to think?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 07:18 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:

Free from what? suppression of thought towards ourselves
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thack45
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 08:28 am
@north,
north wrote:


once we get to the point where we throw off the religion suit of suppression of thought towards ourselves , Humanity , we will be free
Have you not noticed that humans in modern societies have been in this way "free" for decades now? It is a waste of rescources to concern oneself with eliminating godded religions (assuming this is what you are refering to).

Nietzsche of course famously stated that god is dead and that we have killed him. This may be so for his agreeing audience but from a global perspective it is probably more useful to state that god is dying - and we are killing him. These godded religions will in due time take care of themselves.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 09:50 am
@thack45,
I agree, but that's going to take a very long time.
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 10:21 am
@reasoning logic,
Well good luck with that. It can't happen with will alone. It would have to take several hundred generations of breeding out the 50,000+ years of inherent human behavior.
thack45
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 10:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree, but that's going to take a very long time.
Indeed, it has and will continue to take some time. What may be more worthy of note are the variaous godless religions that emerge in the god's stead. The god has not so often been removed as it has been replaced.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 11:07 am
@thack45,
That's the same process that happened in the Middle East when the Greek mythology gods, Egypt's royalty gods, and Judaism was used to create christianity.

I find the religions of the Far East as the best religion has to offer; Hinduism and Buddhism are not exactly godless, but their emphasis is on themselves rather than others. Most Hindus live their religion every day in everything they do, not a once-a-week church attendance.

Buddhists have their chants, but it is inner-directed to improve oneself as sentient beings.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 11:30 am
@cicerone imposter,
in current Hindu/Indian Culture there is notable violence directed at christians, especially catholics, in historical Hindu/Indian Culture there is notable violence directed at lower castes seemingly with the intent of maintaining the lower castes in their subservience to their betters.
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 11:48 am
We like the primates that we are live in troupes. We form hierarchies and groups. It is our nature. Eradicating religion will do nothing to eradicate violence, intolerance, hate, castes, discrimination, etc... Secular societies have shown us this.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 11:57 am
@dyslexia,
I knew about the caste system of India, but didn't know about the violence against christians. Thanks for that info; I'll try to remember that.

Some years ago when I first visited India, I saw match-making ads in a Indian newspaper that shows that many professionals were seeking mates even from the lower caste peoples. During my second visit to India a couple of years ago, the resort hotel where we stayed in Kaziranga provided our group with two cultural shows; one with lighter skinned, and the other with darker skinned. I thought at that time that their caste system is still alive and well.

I'll be returning to India for my third and last visit in November, and will be traveling throughout South India from Chennai to Mumbai. Some of the places we will be visiting will have French influences which is new info for me, because I always thought most of India had British influences.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 01:03 pm
@GoshisDead,
Your quote: Well good luck with that. It can't happen with will alone. It would have to take several hundred generations of breeding out the 50,000+ years of inherent human behavior

Yes I do think that you may be correct! It may be possible by education as with all other concepts. I do not know for sure, that is why I am here to gather other view points.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 02:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Your quote: Well good luck with that. It can't happen with will alone. It would have to take several hundred generations of breeding out the 50,000+ years of inherent human behavior

Yes I do think that you may be correct! It may be possible by education as with all other concepts. I do not know for sure, that is why I am here to gather other view points.


While I have brought up the word education I was hopeing to get all of your feed back on this video if whether or not you found it to be educational or not. Thanks RSL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrA-8rTxXf0
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reasoning logic
 
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