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CASINOS, an observation from a non participant

 
 
Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 09:56 am
PA GAming Commission has been holding hearings about the potential location of a Casino right adjcent to the Gettysburg Battlefield Park.
The hearings have been run for the purpose to elicit the responses f the community regrding thias proposed enterprise.
I am personally opposed to siting a casino next to the battlefield.Im against it because of the obvious reasons that prevent good sense locatio of a casino next to the (9/11 ground zero, The Battleship ARizona, The Alamo, or any other place of importance to our heritage and our history.

Its amazing that the argument that this casino will contribute many millions to the schools of Pa and will create "meaningful jobs" (whatever the hell that means).
It is a fact that the casinos of Las Vegas have been strangled by Atlantic City and Atlantic City has been strangled by the casinos of the Indian NAtions and the existing casinos in Delaware and Pa. The easy moneyt days of casinos is reaching an end, mostly because the number of casinos has already reached a saturation point and the only sources of money will be from inducing new people to become problem gamblers.

Im a frequent visitor to Gettysburg and Ive cheered on when they dynamited that ugly tower on the margins of Devils Den. This casino , as proposed, doesnt belong there. AND, I question the entire proposals for extracting money from the people who are least able to afford it.
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 10:06 am
@farmerman,
I am amazed that Kansas, with it's big bible belt and no Sunday beer jumped in bed with the gamblers just like all the rest.

strange bedfellows. and the schools.

why do gamblers care so much about our kids...
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 12:10 pm
Someone is wanting to build a casino in the Columbia River gorge:

http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/o/Olbetsy/1880.jpg



Can you even imagine?

Some other guys are trying to build a private casino in the city. They too believe that it would be good for our schools and our economy.

I used to work for this incredibly nice man who rarely spoke ill of any group of people. He said people who were stupid enough to gamble deserved to lose all their money.

He owned a few casinos.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 12:51 pm
@farmerman,
Ya all chased Disney away a few years back as I recall, and the park service has been grossly underfunded for decades...what exactly is your alternative plan for monitoring Gettysburg?
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 01:04 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

AND, I question the entire proposals for extracting money from the people who are least able to afford it.


They're all alleged adults that are allowed in there. They are probably doing other things they can't afford, too, like drinking and smoking.

I'm not a gambler but I don't advocate not allowing it for someone's own good. If they can't stay out and can't afford it, they need to grow up; otherwise, they deserve what they get.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 01:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
what exactly is your alternative plan for monitoring Gettysburg
Youre mixing apples and sludge here. The park will recieve NOTHING from a casino. The casino proceeds in Pa, ostensibly, are marked for schools and the elderly. with some tax relief thrown in.
Gettysburg needa no "monitoring".

Gettysburg is a kind of shrine in my mind. Disney was shown that it wpouldnt be welcome and they saw that their own "park experience" would be a detrement to the battlefield.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 01:14 pm
@Mame,
Quote:
I'm not a gambler but I don't advocate not allowing it for someone's own good. If they can't stay out and can't afford it, they need to grow up; otherwise, they deserve what they get.
We wind up caring for the problem gamblers. There is no free lunch.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 01:24 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
If they can't stay out and can't afford it, they need to grow up


often, what they need is counselling for an addiction

that costs money that often ends up coming from the government

no point in encouraging addictions
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
a all chased Disney away a few years back as I recall, and the park service has been grossly underfunded for decades...what exactly is your alternative plan for monitoring Gettysburg?


that was supposed to be Monetizing...sorry if I confused anyone
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:14 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Youre mixing apples and sludge here. The park will recieve NOTHING from a casino. The casino proceeds in Pa, ostensibly, are marked for schools and the elderly. with some tax relief thrown in
We have this huge piece a land which is doing not much of anything financially for the people who live in the area, every single attempt to bring money into the area is shot down. At some point you people are going to have to say yes to something, assuming that the public sector tit is never going to offer much.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
At some point you people are going to have to say yes to something


terrific idea

let's say yes to a Muslim community centre with a prayer space in lower Manhattan
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:33 pm
@ehBeth,
Maybe they do need counselling for addiction, but are you going to suggest everyone who is addicted to something gets counselling for it? Like smokers? Over-eaters? Where does it stop? Who says their addiction is wrong, anyway?

The point is, people are going to do what they're going to do, so maybe having it nearby isn't a good thing, but I'm sure there are lots of bingo halls and outlets selling Lotto tickets. What's the difference? You don't tell them they can't play bingo and you don't ban bingo halls.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:34 pm
@farmerman,
See my post to ehBeth below. We wind up caring for lots of people who were negligent with their money, their bodies, their lives. Why should gambling cause greater concern?

Maybe some of that money casinos make should be streamed into a gambling help clinic.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:42 pm
@Mame,
The corporate interests who control this segment of the economy would like you to know that the preferred term for this activity is GAMING. Thank you for your cooperation...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 04:34 pm
@Mame,
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See my post to ehBeth below. We wind up caring for lots of people who were negligent with their money, their bodies, their lives. Why should gambling cause greater concern?
The spending for victims hs gotta stop somewhere. Here we LICENSE the facility for private businesses to p[rofit from, then we , as welfare states work, jhve to take care of the addicted. Its always gonna cost the people who DONT attend the casinos
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 04:38 pm
@farmerman,
How is that any different from Bingo or Lotteries? Or drinking? That's licensed by the state (as least it is up here) and people not only become alcoholics, but some cause other problems as well (murder and mayhem).

Just saying.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 04:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
We have this huge piece a land which is doing not much of anything financially for the people who live in the area, every single attempt to bring money into the area is shot down. At some point you people are going to have to say yes to something, assuming that the public sector tit is never going to offer much.
. Its not a boone to the neighbors. The residents around G'burg are pretty much unanimous in opposing the casino. Its been turned down 5 years ago on a similar appeal.
Pa is one of the bigger states in the NE, and its got bazillions of acres of land on which to locate a nifty casino, your argument makes no sense,WHy cheapen and destroy a precious landmark with crap? Its revenue neutral to everyone in the area.
The Gettysburg Park supports n already huge hospitality industry that is quite successful. Beds and Breakfasts and antique places, restaurants, souverniers and history guides , as well as campgrounds and motels all blend in the country side. A casino will not.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 05:08 pm
@Mame,
Im not saying that its any different at all. We have many legalized activities that garner high risk participants. MY ARGUMENT (which youve seemed to have gotten off vourse a bit)IS THAT BUILDING A CASINO ADJACENT TO A NATIONAL SHRINE LIKE GETTYSBURG IS THE POOREST OF LAND USE FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT THE DEVELOPER.

Can we somehow get back to that point (I thought I was the only omne with ADD here)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 05:39 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
IS THAT BUILDING A CASINO ADJACENT TO A NATIONAL SHRINE LIKE GETTYSBURG IS THE POOREST OF LAND USE FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT THE DEVELOPER.

nobody else has any money, and as SCOTUS has affirmed money talks.....

I am sympathetic to your argument, I don't like it when our shrines get commericalized, and that even goes so far as the ball park which is now covered top to bottom and all around with logo's. But what is the long range plan for Gettysburg? It is hard to imagine now that the confederacy is equated with racism which is not allowed to be displayed in our PC culture that civil war buffs are going to continue to be created. Hell, even now a lot of people say the the reenactments are offensive. So what is left, tourists who come around to see where the righteous did battle with the bigots?? Sorry, I am not thinking this will successfully compete with our other entertainment options.

If these civil war monuments are to be saved from the bulldozer then they need to be good for something. I think that the civil war buffs are going to have to start saying yes to attempts to broaden the appeal of these locations.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 05:52 pm
@farmerman,
I didn't comment on that aspect because I agreed with you. Instead, I took the one thing you said that I disagreed with, and discussed that.
 

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