What makes a human being civilized?

I don't have any suggestions. It seems to me that any tribe, society or previous civilization or any gathering of people that we can contrast ourselves against come out above us on the civilized scale for one single reason. We are providing for half the world by depriving the other half.

If you eat children for breakfast, silver forks, fancy tablecloth and 90 servants dont make you civilized.
But who the hell eats children for breakfast?

What makes a human being civilized?

I don't have any suggestions. It seems to me that any tribe, society or previous civilization or any gathering of people that we can contrast ourselves against come out above us on the civilized scale for one single reason. We are providing for half the world by depriving the other half.
So I felt like asking any human being that is aware that it's happening just how civilized they think we are? Are we the most civilized people who have ever lived?

What makes a human being civilized?

I don't have any suggestions. It seems to me that any tribe, society or previous civilization or any gathering of people that we can contrast ourselves against come out above us on the civilized scale for one single reason. We are providing for half the world by depriving the other half.
So I felt like asking any human being that is aware that it's happening just how civilized they think we are? Are we the most civilized people who have ever lived?

I think you're using the no true scotsman fallacy. A true civilization would not do such and such, you say. And yet it's obvious that our civilization does. So you ought to express your argument in terms of altruism, compassion, and fairness, or something of that nature.

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I think you're using the no true scotsman fallacy. A true civilization would not do such and such, you say. And yet it's obvious that our civilization does. So you ought to express your argument in terms of altruism, compassion, and fairness, or something of that nature.

You are probably right about that scotsman.
I can't decide if it would be altruism to sacrifice from our material wealth in order to bring acceptable living conditions to the places that need it. It would be if we had nothing to do with how things are in the first place, but can we claim that we don't?
Are we, the nations of europe and the US and others, in any way contributing to the imbalance of wealth that leaves so many barely alive in the world?

when we less savage thoughts towards another Human Being

and when get rid of god related religions

Maybe it's not the giving hand that needs to work harder. Maybe the taking hand needs to chill a bit..

Well, the balance between resources going in and out of the third world is grossly uneven.

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Well, the balance between resources going in and out of the third world is grossly uneven.

In the past we had poor people in the west, living by subsistence farming. And poor people in the rest of the world, living by subsistence farming, or by hunter gathering. The western civilizations have been able to provide a vastly improved quality of life for the billion+ who live here. That's a huge accomplishment, and very civilized. But for us it was a long, long road. These days some of the third world countries are trending up, due to our help and their own effort. Others are not--but when they aren't, it isn't because of deliberate exploitation on our part.

I guess I'm saying that western countries shouldn't be blamed simply for being wealthier but rather if they aren't contributing to the process that pulls the other countries out of poverty.