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Cyracuz
 
Reply Fri 13 Aug, 2010 07:05 am
I fear that by constantly working on making safer environments, removing anything even remotely dangerous from our surroundings and simplifying things to such a degree that it takes no skill to do the neccesary things in a day, we are slowly degenerating our species.

In 1945, the citizens of my country (Norway) had a hell of a job rebuilding after WW2. I think that if we were faced with an equal challenge today we would not be able to overcome it, since modern life and accomodations to lacking skill/guts in people make us weak, soft and too egocentric to even consider our obligation to our fellow man...

And example: Some people fear dogs, so dogs have to be leashed... In my opinion the right way to handle it would be to train the people to not be afraid of dogs. That would not be as degenerative to our species as simply removing the object of their fear.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 13 Aug, 2010 07:22 am
Yes, facing the fear would be the most brave thing to do. But that is difficult and the process may require help from others. It also requires courage.

Finding out the why and where of the fear is also needed.

I am constantly amazed at how some people peservere in spite of overwhelming odds.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 13 Aug, 2010 08:03 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

I fear that by constantly working on making safer environments, removing anything even remotely dangerous from our surroundings and simplifying things to such a degree that it takes no skill to do the neccesary things in a day, we are slowly degenerating our species.

In 1945, the citizens of my country (Norway) had a hell of a job rebuilding after WW2. I think that if we were faced with an equal challenge today we would not be able to overcome it, since modern life and accomodations to lacking skill/guts in people make us weak, soft and too egocentric to even consider our obligation to our fellow man...

And example: Some people fear dogs, so dogs have to be leashed... In my opinion the right way to handle it would be to train the people to not be afraid of dogs. That would not be as degenerative to our species as simply removing the object of their fear.
I agree with your general point of vu,
speaking as being devoted to laissez faire libertarian Individualism,
tho I have been the victim of the predatory violence of a big, sneaky canine.
On a hot summer day, in a park, I saw a very large dog,
with a huge smile, seeming very happy and contented
as he looked out upon the countryside. He was on a
leash of about maybe 30 feet. I called out to his humans
that he looked happy, whereupon his ears shot up,
his eyes locked on me and he slowly rose from his
seated position and ambled toward me with his
tremendous smile and happiness in his eyes.

When he had approached to about one yard,
he lifted up his lip into a snarl, and launched himself
airborne, coming in for a landing with one fang
in my left forearm. It looked like I'd been hit
with a .22 caliber slug. I looked down on him,
as tho to say: "what the hell r u doing ??" and he
instantly broke off the attack and resumed his
seated position, with his smile. He was sneaky.
His leash was too long. His human tried to pull
it in, but he was still free.

I do not know whether he was a degenerate of his species.





David

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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Aug, 2010 08:12 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyr-- You're talking Norwegian dogs. What about pyeards? Rider Haggard put some dogs into Ayesha. Read that and you'll see that the fear of dogs is a justifiable trait buried deep in the ativism of the human psyche. Your dogs are Christian dogs.

It's a great book.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Aug, 2010 08:52 am
@Cyracuz,
Here is a link to an interesting, to me, podcast dealing with toughness of past populations compare to our modern one.

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive/Show-33---(BLITZ)-Old-School-Toughness/%20history-lifecycles-empire
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 10:01 am
Thanks for the replies guys.
That link sounds interesting, but I couldn't get it to work, even when i copied all of it, not just the part that appears as a link Smile

David, the dog example may turn us a little off my intended course. What I wanted to bring up is that if we allow fear to dictate which measures we should take to secure our future we are making a grave mistake.
There is a big difference between providing security and creating an environment so safe that we never get any experience with how to handle fear.
Personal development seems to be second priority behind the development of a society in which everyone can feel safe. Often I feel that the safety measures required by those who refuse to even try to master their emotions is a direct bar to my individual development.

If this trend keeps up we will create the high capital of mediocrity, where the truly courageous and gifted have to suffer for taking the trouble to rise above their challenges...

When I was in school I could usually understand what the teacher was saying a long time before the majority of the class had it. This resulted in me getting really bored, starting to disrupt the classes and got a bad resume... Because I have a natural tendency to leap at what I don't understand in order to figure it out. Many people have a natural tendency to avoid what they don't understand, and it seems to me that it is these peoples' right to keep on doing that we are safeguarding more and more... But if we keep at it we will always be stuck in our primitive, ego boosting degenerative society...
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 12:07 pm
@Cyracuz,
Quote:
What I wanted to bring up is that if we allow fear to dictate which measures we should take to secure our future we are making a grave mistake.


It's always been my method cyr and look how I turned out.

It was watching an NCO hold his hand over a candle flame that really brought it home to me. I had a fair idea from the priests who taught at my schools. But that seared my brain. It seared his hand too.
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Khethil
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 01:00 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:
I fear that by constantly working on making safer environments, removing anything even remotely dangerous from our surroundings and simplifying things to such a degree that it takes no skill to do the neccesary things in a day, we are slowly degenerating our species.

Aye, probably so.

The heartiness and enduring nature of the human species never came to the point it is because we've protected ourselves with rules, regulations and prohibitions - it's because we've found ways to individually endure. And yes, a lot of that's been lost through over protectiveness (see the antiseptic wipes next to the carts in your grocery store?).

"Safer Environments" cuts both ways. When we create an especially nasty hazard, helping to minimize its danger only makes sense - after all, its our responsibility. In other cases, folks dive into the absurd; sell a hot cup of coffee then sue someone for selling a hot cup of coffee is but one case.

It depends; some make sense and are responsible, others remove us from so much risk we become even more indolent.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 01:17 pm
@Cyracuz,
Hi Cyracuz!

It also breeds complacency.

i.e. If you drive a volvo (safety first) you start to perceive the typical dangers that come with driving an 'automobile' in a lesser light.

All the best!
Mark...
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Aug, 2010 01:43 pm
Where I live, they didn't like the number of violent incidents on saturday nights. violent meaning someone got punched in a drunken brawl.
So they decided that all pubs and cafes had to close at 1 and all nightclubs at 2.30..
Then they went on to decide that all places serving food had to close before the nightclubs.
You see the line of politics and the problems it creates?
They are not assuming that any of the people who are out in the town take any responsibility for anything.
It is a result of years of the same thinking. Close it early, before people are too drunk... Before they are satisfied with the evening, incidentally. It leads to an incredible number of people pouring out into the streets at a specific time, drunk and slightly annoyed that their evening is interrupted. The police resources needed to maintain order under these circumstances are not cheap.
And now they can't just let everything stay open for as long as they want, because for generations we have been taught that the evening ends at a specific time, so we stay until the bitter end. It works out fine if the bitter end is 3 am and nowhere but home to get a snack. Order is maintained. They call themselves leaders, but act like sheperds.
I fear that if this goes on we will be sheep, needing sheperds, if we are not already..
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 19 Aug, 2010 02:11 pm
book marking.
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