does reality exist before Human existence and thinking exist ?

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Well, astronomers tell us that the Moon is at least four and a half billion years old, and human beings are less than a half a billion years old. So, you do the math.

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Why Q

south korea

i understand not obvious

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Well, astronomers tell us that the Moon is at least four and a half billion years old, and human beings are less than a half a billion years old. So, you do the math.

true

yet there some that think there is no reality beyond our Human awarness of reality

inotherwords Humanity creates reality

Pepijn Sweep wrote:

Why Q

because some think and do think in this day and age that reality is created by us

or worse that reality may or may-not exist

north wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Well, astronomers tell us that the Moon is at least four and a half billion years old, and human beings are less than a half a billion years old. So, you do the math.

true

yet there some that think there is no reality beyond our Human awarness of reality

inotherwords Humanity creates reality

Well, if they think that, I suggest they get the facts, and then that they do the math. And if they are rational, they won't think that any more.

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Well, astronomers tell us that the Moon is at least four and a half billion years old, and human beings are less than a half a billion years old. So, you do the math.

true

yet there some that think there is no reality beyond our Human awarness of reality

inotherwords Humanity creates reality

Well, if they think that, I suggest they get the facts, and then that they do the math. And if they are rational, they won't think that any more.

hopefully

north wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

Well, astronomers tell us that the Moon is at least four and a half billion years old, and human beings are less than a half a billion years old. So, you do the math.

true

yet there some that think there is no reality beyond our Human awarness of reality

inotherwords Humanity creates reality

Well, if they think that, I suggest they get the facts, and then that they do the math. And if they are rational, they won't think that any more.

hopefully

Who is being hopeful? The Roman philosopher, Cicero told us that nothing is so absurd that no philosopher has said it, and things have not changed much since then. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some posters who thought that although the Moon is 4.5 billion years old, but human beings .5 billion years old, that the Moon was created by human beings. Philosophers can easily hold beliefs that contradict each other. They are masters of cognitive dissonance. For example, then can believe both that time is unreal, and also that they can be late for an appointment with a dentist. Go figure.

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

north wrote:

is not obvious that in order for any living thing we need the Universe to exist first ?

In this world,yes.
The order of creation is like a pyramid.
The base is the inanimate, The oldest and the most mass.
The second layer is the vegetative, younger and less mass than the inanimate. and feeds of the inanimate.
The 3rd layer of the pyramid is the animate, younger and less mass than the vegetative and feeds of the vegetative and to some extent the inanimate.
The 4th layer is the Human level, youger and less mass than the animate and feeds off the animate, vegeatative and inanimate levels.

The 5th layer is the tip of the pyramid and is the desire for Spirituality., younger and less mass than the Human level and it feeds of all the lower levels, but as its dealing in Spirituality it see's these lower levels as something different to how we perceive them in corporeality. It see's them more as desires.
For example, a rock equals a desire to stick together, a desire for unity.
Studying the whole of Creation as desires within us rather than looking at the physical expression of creation, helps us make much more sense of the Bible, which was written by Spiritual people, and we can see whats meant by such things as rape, pilage and murder.
This is how its openly described in Kabbalah, which only speaks of the spiritual interpretation of creation. And this is how its secretly understood in gnosis, by those who have an understanding of scripture.

but any scripture by any religion has only delt with the dynamics of Human Beings being amoungst other Human beings , and nothing else

religions are a way to live with others and to revere god

religions have nothing to offer in thoughts of the before

reality its self