Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

The litigation is defined by THE PLEADINGS
and those issues that u mentioned were not before the court.

Then why did the court bring it up?

SO, eventually, (maybe not in my life) this issue of Individual v Colective rights may be adjudicated , before we shoot each other all up.

however, it seems that these simple laws are unobtainable.

SO, eventually, (maybe not in my life) this issue of Individual v Colective rights may be adjudicated,
before we shoot each other all up.

That issue has already been decided in Heller and McDonald. It's an individual right.

I guess Im being too specific here based upon ACLU preferences,

ACLU petitions court to get man's guns returned from Broward Sheriff's Office
Police say Robert Weinstein, bereft over late wife's missing remains,
"wanted to blow his head off"
July 15, 2010|By Linda Trischitta, Sun Sentinel

American Civil Liberties Union is petitioning a court to help
an 85-year-old man get his guns back from the Broward Sheriff's Office.

Yes, you read that right.

In what may be the first time, the ACLU says, it is advocating
on behalf of a gun owner to get his weapons back and
they're doing so free of charge.

That the ACLU, a long-time target of conservatives' scorn,
is supporting gun ownership is "a breath of fresh air," said Marion P. Hammer,
board member of the National Rifle Association.

"It's all very interesting that the ACLU has now decided that all
of the rights are worth defending, and it's a welcome change,"
said Ms. Hammer, a Florida lobbyist for the NRA and its former president.

Is this new alliance a sign of the apocalypse?

Not really, says Fort Lauderdale attorney Barry Butin, a cooperating attorney
for the ACLU of Florida's Broward Chapter who is representing the gun owner,
Pompano Beach retiree Robert Weinstein.

Two recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions have affirmed
the right to maintain guns in the home.

"Under the Second Amendment, he has a right to have his guns
in his house. He's not a convicted felon," Butin said. "It is unusual
for the ACLU, but the ACLU supports all constitutional rights.
We don't pick and choose."

Brandon Hensler, the ACLU of Florida's communications director in Miami,
said: "This is the first time I know of in the ACLU's 90-year history
that we have advocated on behalf of a citizen to have their weapons
returned from law enforcement."

Weinstein, a retired bar and restaurant owner from Hartford, Conn.,
had his weapons seized in February after Dana, his wife of 61 years, died.
He told the Broward Medical Examiner's Office that he wanted
to "blow his head off," according to a sheriff deputy's report.

He said he was upset because three weeks after Mrs. Weinstein died,
her ashes still hadn't shown up at the funeral home that was to bury them.

Weinstein's call to the medical examiner prompted a visit from a
sheriff's deputy, who took the widower to a hospital for evaluation.

Weinstein said he agreed to surrender his Colt semi-automatic .25 caliber
pistol and his Wesson .357 revolver, along with ammunition and holsters,
for safekeeping after authorities insisted on it.

Seems that several folks, including the ACLU,
consider the second Amendment; as a COLLECTIVE, not an INDIVIDUAL right.
Perhaps this will be a talking point some day.
I dont wanna make more out of it because Im leaning both ways

1 Im a gun owner and an enthusiast of hunting

2 However, gun crimes are washing over our society
with a benevolent ppatriarchal oversight by our courts.

SO, eventually, (maybe not in my life) this issue of Individual v Colective rights may be adjudicated,
before we shoot each other all up.

That's true, but then individual rights can still have reasonable limitations placed upon them.
For instance, although the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, we still have defamation laws.

however, it seems that these simple laws are unobtainable.

I mean, the simple law that limits the number of guns one can purchase PWER MONTH,
or the law that would require me to report a stolen gun, were ALL voted down.