Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 10:25 am
A physician who has made a complete examination of a person without having been told his age could probably make an accurate estimate of it because of his knowledge of how the aging process works. But what would happen if he were to travel back in time and examine Adam and Eve before the fall and was then asked to guess their age? Because they were created to live forever they wouldn't have undergone the same aging process we do today. If he examined them just a few days after their creation he would give a high estimate of their ages because they would appear to be the same as adults he had examined in the past.

Suppose he went back to some time after the fall and examined them. Now they would be aging the same way we do today. If he was unaware of their past history he would make an estimate based on the assumption that they had been born in the same way as everyone else. (I know that people lived longer then so in this example I am assuming that the doctor was aware of this fact and took it into consideration. I am also assuming that he didn't notice their lack of navels, since this would have warned him that there was something different about them.) His estimate of their age would probably be off but whether it was too high or too low would depend on how much time elapsed between their creation and their fall.

Scientists who try to figure out the age of the universe are facing the same situation as the doctor in the second example. They assume that all the physical processes that they observe have been going on since the universe began. But the Bible tells us that this isn't the case. God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin. But it appears that the whole universe is under a curse, which will be lifted at the same time as the resurrection of believers. "The creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:21) It seems that the whole universe was affected by Satan's rebellion and that is the reason for the condition it is in today. Since we don't know how much time elapsed between the creation and the fall of Satan it is impossible to figure out the age of the universe by observing what is going on in it today.

Here are two sites that present alternative views to the generally accepted theories about origins:

Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics

Science Against Evolution Official Home Page
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 11:56 am
@theophilus cv,
theophilus;71460 wrote:
A physician who has made a complete examination of a person without having been told his age could probably make an accurate estimate of it because of his knowledge of how the aging process works. But what would happen if he were to travel back in time and examine Adam and Eve before the fall and was then asked to guess their age? Because they were created to live forever they wouldn't have undergone the same aging process we do today. If he examined them just a few days after their creation he would give a high estimate of their ages because they would appear to be the same as adults he had examined in the past.

Suppose he went back to some time after the fall and examined them. Now they would be aging the same way we do today. If he was unaware of their past history he would make an estimate based on the assumption that they had been born in the same way as everyone else. (I know that people lived longer then so in this example I am assuming that the doctor was aware of this fact and took it into consideration. I am also assuming that he didn't notice their lack of navels, since this would have warned him that there was something different about them.) His estimate of their age would probably be off but whether it was too high or too low would depend on how much time elapsed between their creation and their fall.

Scientists who try to figure out the age of the universe are facing the same situation as the doctor in the second example. They assume that all the physical processes that they observe have been going on since the universe began. But the Bible tells us that this isn't the case. God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin. But it appears that the whole universe is under a curse, which will be lifted at the same time as the resurrection of believers. "The creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:21) It seems that the whole universe was affected by Satan's rebellion and that is the reason for the condition it is in today. Since we don't know how much time elapsed between the creation and the fall of Satan it is impossible to figure out the age of the universe by observing what is going on in it today.

Here are two sites that present alternative views to the generally accepted theories about origins:

Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics

Science Against Evolution Official Home Page


If the universe is not at least billions of years old, it would be impossible for light from the furthest stars to reach earth being billions of light years away.

If the universe is thousands of years old then the light from these stars simply wouldn't have had enough time to reach our eyes. Logic and evidence demands a very old universe.
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 10:16 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;71463 wrote:
If the universe is not at least billions of years old, it would be impossible for light from the furthest stars to reach earth being billions of light years away.

If the universe is thousands of years old then the light from these stars simply wouldn't have had enough time to reach our eyes. Logic and evidence demands a very old universe.
This is true if the speed of light has always been the same as it is now. Since our measurements don't show any variation in light's speed it is reasonable to assume that it has always been the same, but this is only an assumption which cannot be tested. The Bible says that the universe has been affected by sin and it is possible that many of the physical laws, including the speed of light, have been affected.
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 12:05 pm
@theophilus cv,
theophilus;71475 wrote:
This is true if the speed of light has always been the same as it is now. Since our measurements don't show any variation in light's speed it is reasonable to assume that it has always been the same, but this is only an assumption which cannot be tested. The Bible says that the universe has been affected by sin and it is possible that many of the physical laws, including the speed of light, have been affected.


I'm guessing Einstein would disagree with this. He showed light cannot move faster than the speed of light. We aren't talking about an average calculated speed we are talking about a maximum velocity using the mass and potential energy.

Even if you found some some way to magically increase the speed of light by 16x10.0^4 times faster than the current established speed of light, it still wouldn't be fast enough to reach our eyes in only 6,000 years as many Young-earth creationists insist the Universe is.
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 06:52 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;71476 wrote:
I'm guessing Einstein would disagree with this. He showed light cannot move faster than the speed of light. We aren't talking about an average calculated speed we are talking about a maximum velocity using the mass and potential energy.

Even if you found some some way to magically increase the speed of light by 16x10.0^4 times faster than the current established speed of light, it still wouldn't be fast enough to reach our eyes in only 6,000 years as many Young-earth creationists insist the Universe is.


Not to mention FTL speeds result in reversed time-dilation, which is to say light traveling at FTL speeds would go backwards being as it would be traveling into the past.
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