Humans are insignificant.

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If the Earth's life could be mapped on to a clock, human existance would only account for the last two seconds of that clock.

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Humans are but one of billions of life forms that have have existed on earth, yet earth is only but an extremely tiny spec of rock in one galaxy of millions of galaxies.

Yet the creationists want you to believe there is a guy out there floating in space that is intervening with the individual lives of one life form that is practically non-existant when compared to the vastness and age of the universe because........

We're "special" Very Happy

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;54359 wrote:

If the Earth's life could be mapped on to a clock, human existance would only account for the last two seconds of that clock.

Humans are but one of billions of life forms that have have existed on earth, yet earth is only but an extremely tiny spec of rock in one galaxy of millions of galaxies.

Yet the creationists want you to believe there is a guy out there floating in space that is intervening with the individual lives of one life form that is practically non-existant when compared to the vastness and age of the universe because........

We're "special"

None of this impacts on the Divine Cosmos -- the realm of The Spirit. Your analysis is limited to the realm of matter.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Non-existant? So a drop of water in the Pacific Ocean is non-existent because there are so many other drops? What do you consider 'significant'? That's a human word, used to describe something seen as important. Humans are quite significant to themselves. Humans are significant by many standards. But I'm sure we'll all support your decision if you want to try to live on Antares to feel more significant.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

This is what happens when ya live too deeply in the woods, scheming and plotting against Bush around the clock. Ya go nuts before too long.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

What are they gonna do when the resident nut is out, LOL?

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;54375 wrote:

Non-existant? So a drop of water in the Pacific Ocean is non-existent because there are so many other drops? What do you consider 'significant'? That's a human word, used to describe something seen as important. Humans are quite significant to themselves. Humans are significant by many standards. But I'm sure we'll all support your decision if you want to try to live on Antares to feel more significant.

Not non-existent... insignificant. As a single BB is insignificant to an olympic swimming pool full of BBs, we are insignificant to the universe.

Humans are significant to humans. Humans are significant by human standards. To the universe as a whole, we're barely a blip on the screen... if that.

Live on Antares? Well, humans cannot live on the surface of a star. Antares also has no (known) planets. Makes that proposition quite difficult. However it is rather neat to note that stars such as Antares (M-Class) make up somewhere around two-thirds to three-quarters of the visible stars in the night sky whereas ones such as our Sun (G-Class) pimp about eight percent of the galactic real-estate.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;54374 wrote:

None of this impacts on the Divine Cosmos -- the realm of The Spirit. Your analysis is limited to the realm of matter.

Spirit realm? Really? Where? Please elaborate.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

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Not non-existent... insignificant. As a single BB is insignificant to an olympic swimming pool full of BBs, we are insignificant to the universe.

Fatal Freedoms wrote:

one life form that is practically non-existant

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Humans are significant to humans. Humans are significant by human standards. To the universe as a whole, we're barely a blip on the screen... if that.

And why should we judge things by the standard of the universe as a whole rather than by our own standards?

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Live on Antares? Well, humans cannot live on the surface of a star. Antares also has no (known) planets. Makes that proposition quite difficult.

I believe that I said "we'll all support your decision," didn't I? And I know that. Which would make my statement an attempt at humor. Does that compute?

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;54491 wrote:

And why should we judge things by the standard of the universe as a whole rather than by our own standards?

And people wonder why we're in the middle of a bloody war. "Our" standards are always the only ones that are relevant.

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I believe that I said "we'll all support your decision," didn't I? And I know that. Which would make my statement an attempt at humor. Does that compute?

Well, that wasn't too funny. Might want to give it a bit more pizazz. A smiley or two usually makes for great icing on the cake. However, given the average human intelligence, the difference between "humor" and "real" is blurry. I have little faith for the average human, and that is unlikely to change.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;54375 wrote:

Non-existant? So a drop of water in the Pacific Ocean is non-existent because there are so many other drops? What do you consider 'significant'? That's a human word, used to describe something seen as important. Humans are quite significant to themselves. Humans are significant by many standards. But I'm sure we'll all support your decision if you want to try to live on Antares to feel more significant.

I said "practically non-existant" but of course you'd overlook that tiny detail that changes the meaning of the whole sentance.

and yes a drop of water in the pacific ocean is "practically non-existant" when compared to the vastness of the ocean.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;54374 wrote:

Your analysis is limited to the realm of matter.

...as is any rational person. Untill we can know there even is a "spiritual realm" it is inpractical to think in such terms.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;54375 wrote:

Humans are quite significant to themselves.

I'm sure if fleas could think, they'd probably consider themselves 'significant', but does that make it so?

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@Fatal Freedoms,

If humans are insignificant. What effect does that have one AGW?

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@DiversityDriven,

I fail to see how humans being "insignificant" proves anything about God,....

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@Fatal Freedoms,

It proves that God, whatever it might be, does not play favorites. It is also an argument against the notion that an omnipotent and omnipresent being is watching our every move. It also serves the purpose of demonstrating how improbable it is that we are alone in our journey as intelligent sentient beings.

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@markx15,

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It proves that God, whatever it might be, does not play favorites. It is also an argument against the notion that an omnipotent and omnipresent being is watching our every move. It also serves the purpose of demonstrating how improbable it is that we are alone in our journey as intelligent sentient beings.

Ok forgive my ignorance,.. but I don't see how this proves God does not play favorites. Also i would whole heartedly agree that it is improbable that we are alone, but I still fail to see how that has anything to do with God, or proof if that is real or not.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

If we are all insignificant, then we are all on the same level, we are all equal in the face of the universe, so maybe people could stop their bickering and start helping each other out.

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@markx15,

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If we are all insignificant, then we are all on the same level, we are all equal in the face of the universe, so maybe people could stop their bickering and start helping each other out.

That would be nice my friend,.. a little bit of tolerance goes a long way.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

There is just so much waste, is it frustrating.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

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And people wonder why we're in the middle of a bloody war. "Our" standards are always the only ones that are relevant.

Is Arcturus offended by our egotism? Where's the other standards that we should take into consideration? Exactly what should be more important or be taken into consideration than humans to humans? Relevance is not measured by comparison to the universe, it is measured by what is important to whatever is deciding on the relevancy of things. ntares is totally irrelevant to to the lives of most humans. Does that mean that Antares is practically non-existant in a way, compared to, say, mortgages? No. Just like humans are not irrelevant or practically not existant compared to Antares.

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I said "practically non-existant" but of course you'd overlook that tiny detail that changes the meaning of the whole sentance.

and yes a drop of water in the pacific ocean is "practically non-existant" when compared to the vastness of the ocean.

Still, something either exists or it doesn't. It's an absolute concept. You can't "sort of exist, but relative to this you don't." Would you say that a human being becomes less existant when put up against an elephant? Just becuase there's bigger stuff than us out there does not mean that we barely exist in comparison.

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I'm sure if fleas could think, they'd probably consider themselves 'significant', but does that make it so?

By the standards of fleas, yes it does. And what other standards should matter to fleas?

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It is also an argument against the notion that an omnipotent and omnipresent being is watching our every move.

If they were omnipotent & omnipresent, the significance of humans in comparison to the universe as a whole wouldn't be an obstacle. Omnipotent and omnipresent could apply to the entire universe.

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