Why You Can Trust the Bible

The only question being, did the people at the receiving end accept it as good news...

Alot of us consider proseltysing as an evil. Its fine if it ends with a polite request and a "turn around & walk away" if the other person is not interested. It becomes appalling when the bearer of good tidings,
- forces his "good news" down throats.
- insists that these who do not accept it be tortured until they submit.
- bribes people to accept the "good news".
- destroys whole civilizations & indigenous cultures in attempting to spread the "good news".

I canlist out details on such crimes committed by both Christianity and Islam. The whole story requires parental supervision while reading/viewing.

Some have...the Bible says that those who receive the message were predestined to be call by God. The thing is those who preach the gospel do not know who are predestined to be called. Besides, as much people need to hear the gospel, so that when the reality of the gospel is manifested those who did not believe will see it, and realize that those who were preaching it were right.



As I said before Christians are told by Jesus to preach the gospel..if you do not believe it, simply ignore it. Don't hinder those who are preaching it to others, its their right to do so.

Well here is what I have to say...God will never torcher anyone forever because they don't believe....that is false. The Bible, intact Jesus said, that no one can come to Him unless that Father/God who has sent Him calls them. In other words no one will ever desire to come to God, if God has not call the individual. God will never condemn anyone to an ever never ending burning Hell, because they do not want what God is offering. God is all loving and merciful, and He love every one very much. The person who after He has revealed His truth to but still rejects it, will simply be burnt up....they will cease to exist. The Bible even say that even the memory of the former things will be forgotten.

Some Christian make God out to be a vindictive and angry God, who cannot wait to punish those wicked people. That is not true; God is so loving that the Bible says that God sends rain on the just and the unjust. If God is what some make Him out to be, we all would not be around today.

So debate me my friend and be confident enough not to ask me not to interfere in your preachings. If you are that confident, then my arguments will simply wither way.
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It is foolish to get into debates; people who get into debates are already covinced that they are right and that other person is wrong. It is not my intention to seek to convince those who's mind is already made up.

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So debate me my friend and be confident enough not to ask me not to interfere in your preachings. If you are that confident, then my arguments will simply wither way.
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It is foolish to get into debates; people who get into debates are already covinced that they are right and that other person is wrong. It is not my intention to seek to convince those who's mind is already made up.

A pity. Because my mind is not made up. I am a great believer in the scientific process to take a hypothesis, see if it can be made into a theory and then cheerfully discard it if it fails even once. That is my big problem with documents frozen in time. They can be disproved again and again but a blind faith in them keeps the adherent from discarding them.

I am here to question you every claim you make as well as to learn from you.

Some have...the Bible says that those who receive the message were predestined to be call by God. The thing is those who preach the gospel do not know who are predestined to be called. Besides, as much people need to hear the gospel, so that when the reality of the gospel is manifested those who did not believe will see it, and realize that those who were preaching it were right.



As I said before Christians are told by Jesus to preach the gospel..if you do not believe it, simply ignore it. Don't hinder those who are preaching it to others, its their right to do so.

Well here is what I have to say...God will never torcher anyone forever because they don't believe....that is false. The Bible, intact Jesus said, that no one can come to Him unless that Father/God who has sent Him calls them. In other words no one will ever desire to come to God, if God has not call the individual. God will never condemn anyone to an ever never ending burning Hell, because they do not want what God is offering. God is all loving and merciful, and He love every one very much. The person who after He has revealed His truth to but still rejects it, will simply be burnt up....they will cease to exist. The Bible even say that even the memory of the former things will be forgotten.

Some Christian make God out to be a vindictive and angry God, who cannot wait to punish those wicked people. That is not true; God is so loving that the Bible says that God sends rain on the just and the unjust. If God is what some make Him out to be, we all would not be around today.

I consulted the Bible on what to do with people like me: the non-believers. Allow me to quote from Deuteronomy (17:12-13). Anyone thinking there is no justification for violence in the bible, needs to read his scriptures more diligently.

" If you hear that in one of the towns which Yahweh your God has given you for a home, there are men, scoundrels from your own stock, who have let their fellow-citizens astray, saying "Let us go and serve other gods," hitherto unknown to you, it is your duty to look into the matter, examine it, and inquire most carefully. If it is proved and comfirmed that such a hateful thing has taken place among you, you must put the inhabitants of that town to the sword; you must lay it under the curse of destruction - the town and everything in it. You must pile up all its loot in the public square and burn the town and all its loot, offering it all to Yahweh your God. It is to be a ruin for all time and never rebuilt". (Deuteronomy 13:12-16).

Now you need to ask yourself, why are you not indulging in this violence if you are an adherent to the Bible? The good christians in charge of the spanish inquisition followed this law to the letter. Well, almost to the letter. The church choose to keep the loot rather than to burn it but I quibble.

If you are a christian, you need to answer why you choose to ignore Deuteronomy. The people you preach to deserve to know.

The Old Testament should never be used to justify the killing of the innocent.
I might point out that the Old Testament was an example of how trying to get to God by the works of the law was flawed. And that is why the New Testament tells us, that by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. Christians today can learn by the failure of those of the past who tried to follow the law. And today, Christians do good works not to earn salvation, but rather to demonstrate to Christ their love for Him. For Christians who have given their life to Christ have already received salvation by His death on the cross. For the Bible tells us, that by grace are ye saved and that not of yourselves, it is a gift from God lest any man should boast. No one that ever enters heaven will be able to say they were so good that they deserve to be there. Salvation is a gift that is offered to all people. Yet the Bible tells us only a few will accept it. And Jesus ask the question, "how shall they neglect so great a salvation?"

If Jesus and the first Christians were to take that position that gospel would not have been preach to the world. Jesus did not say that we should wait for people to ask….the problem is that most will not ask. He said go and preach the gospel. The gospel is good news; why should we wait for people to ask? If your family is facing bankruptcy, because of loss of income and they are about to lose their home, and be put out on the street. what if you heard about a company that will take anyone who is in dept, and pay off all the dept that anyone owe without any strings attached, except to tell everyone they know about the company, Wouldn’t you not tell as much people as you can? The kingdom of God is infinitely greater than a company getting someone out of dept.

It's not about forcing people to believe, it's about spreading the good news.

Jesus said that you cannot serve two masters, because you will obey one and dsiobey that other. The question is who is your master?

I beleive the Bible is printed in about every language there is and look at how many missionary's there are. And Jesus and I have a personnel realtionship. He will judge me as you and eveyone else for their thoughts, deeds and desires. I hope I make it. But you nor any others can judge me, period. Besides your cup won't runneth over if you chose to do so. I do believe the Bible teaches one to treat the log in their eye before telling another about the splinter in their eye!

Guess you never served in the military and don't notice there are Armies in every nation. And evey on ehas chaplins, Get a grip please.

Jesus said that you cannot serve two masters, because you will obey one and dsiobey that other. The question is who is your master?

And for what purpose? If I were to prove to you that these scriptures do not conflict with each other as you might believe, would you have a change of mind and desire to repent of your sinful ways and take up your burden and follow Jesus? Or are you just trying to trip me?

Islam today, is almost identical to Chrisianity before Europe had a renessance. So, our peaceful society has more to do with that secular reformation than the Bible.

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