fishin' wrote:Whether something is "ok"or not is irrelevant. If Amendments were passed that repealed those amendments they would be entirely legal and binding.
I was asking you, personally, whether that scenario would be acceptable to
you. I can say without reservation that it would not be acceptable to me.
Quote:If an amendment were passed then those items wouldn't be a part of THIS Constitution would they? They would be a part of the newly amended Constitution.
If you think of the constitution as a document that can be sliced and diced, that clauses can be snipped and modified without impacting the whole, then I guess you are right. I prefer to believe the constitution is an example of a continuum of political thought and reason, establishing a form of government that has at its core, fundamental and unwavering principles.
Quote:Every authority the government has stems from the Constitution so every Amendment changes the powers that the government has. That is the entire purpose of amending the Constitution.
Of course; but there are areas where the government has no business
fishin' wrote:Surf_Fish_IBSP wrote:Correct, but for the legislature to enact such laws, even with the supposed new "constitutional authority" to do so, would be an illegitimate exercise of governmental power.
You are confusing the creatation of US Code with amending the Constitution. The Congress and the states HAVE the authority to amend the Constitution. There is no "new supposed authority". Read Article 5 of the Constitution. It's still there in it's original form and it grants the authority to amend the Constitution and sets how that will be done.
Huh? . . At the moment, laws considered ex post facto are null and void. A
new amendment is required to grant the legislature a
new constitutional authority to enact such laws. Without that new constitutional authority, no power is held by Congress to enact an ex post facto law.
Quote:The Constitution was based on principles that slavery was acceptable, that women shouldn't vote, that Presidents could serve an unlimited number of terms and a host of other items. All of those have been changed via Amendments. Is it your claim that none of those Amendments are valid? Are those "perversions" of the spirit of the Constitution?
Wow . . . slavery was justified in the constitution by considering blacks property, not people. That thought process did last for a while but it failed when critically examined. I would recommend a book for you, it is a classic on the issue of slavery and on the constitution. It is Lysander Spooner's
The Unconstitutionality of Slavery. Neat thing is, it won't cost you a penny . . . It's webpublished here,
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/UnconstitutionalityOfSlaveryContents.htm
That you consider that what you offered above as examles of our founding principles demonstrates the disconnect you have with them.
Quote:Get the idea of what is "good" or "bad" out of your thinking. That was never a part of the question or discussion. The question is based on what is or isn't POSSIBLE . . .
How can one discuss the possible extents of governmental power without discussing the legitimacy of that exercise of power? At the moment it is POSSIBLE for the government to suspend the constitution and the Bill of Rights without any endorsement from Congress or the State legislatures.
Quote: . . . and amending any part of the Constitution, including eliminating the entire Bill of Rights, is entirely possible.
I've repeatedly stated that it is
possible to amend, rescind, revoke, reword, edit, etc, etc, etc, any written document including the COTUS. Now, the real discussion lies in whether it is proper and legitimate. Do you really believe there is no illegitimate power of government; that power is only controlled by what the Congress and state legislatures choose to inflict on us . . . including the repeal of the Bill of Rights?
I realize I'm a newbie
here and I don't have a sense of you or your politics but, . . . right now, from what I've read in this thread, you are one dangerous individual.
Quote: Whether or not any such change would be a perversion of principles or insulting would be up to the members of the Congress and the states to weigh in their voting but it doesn't prevent them from voting on the matter one way or the other.
You forget that the final arbiter is the people.
Quote:The question here was what CAN or CAN'T be done. Not what SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be done.
I know I
can be dishonest
I know I
can be cruel
I know I
can be cold and distant
I know I
can violently assault somebody
I know I
can murder someone
I know I
can be honest
I know I
can be kind
I know I
can be emotionally supportive
I know I
can help the weak and sick
I know I
can sacrifice for another person
And the same goes for government, that's the easy part . . . the hard part is what you supporters of moral equivalency so wish would go away; determining which SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be done.