Evolution Vs. Intelligent Design

@imuthis,

There is no argument
they are not mutually exclusively maybe this Diety, whether God, Goddess, or whatever wanted it that way or like my daughter just didn't finish their work...who knows ....Believe what your heart and mind tell you

both theories are general statements drawn from a variety of evidence that can be interpreted dozens of ways...neither is entirely provable or disprovable and are therefore by definition just theories....
However...creationism is crafted almost entirely based
on synthetic unity ...and inductive thinking ...on what we don't know...on ideas we crafted in our minds by observing (in our minds) that there are things that we do not see and do not know .....rather than calculations based on analyzed experience
evolution is a theory based on scientific evidece of natural selection related to very real fossil records and while it is certainly a theory and currently no more or less provable than creationism it does have the harsh discordant ring of science..while creationism has the pleasant soothing ring of spirituality..........

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@Dmizer,

Dmizer;18235 wrote:

imuthis wrote:
"I think no one here will ever seriously believe evolution."

This statement was meant to be sarcastic right?

I think Drnaline comment is actually closer to what most people believe. There is definitely intelligence in the living fabric of this world. There is also irrefutable facts that science bases it theories upon. To believe that the earth is only 6,000 yrs old? That is like claiming that the earth is flat. As time goes on I believe that new theories will intertwine the two theories into a more cohesive believable theory. Life evolves based upon an intelligent design.

I have no trouble with intelligent design as long as when we give credit we say gods or god involved in the design. No one can prove that it was one single entity that came up with us. It is more than likey several intelligent beings created and designed the universe.

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@imuthis,

Wha.....?

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@imuthis,

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It is more than likey several intelligent beings created and designed the universe.

No one can prove that. I would say that one, single, perfect being was needed for the job to avoid any serious competition.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;20266 wrote:

No one can prove that. I would say that one, single, perfect being was needed for the job to avoid any serious competition.

No one can prove who or what did it and to give credit to the Judeo-christian-muslim God is unacceptable. We have no proof that he actually did it other than someone claimed he did in a 2,000 year old book.

So when we teach intelligent design in class we must not put one religions above the others and stating that the Judeo-christian-Muslim god is responsible is clearly favoring monotheism and excluding polytheism which discriminates against Hindus and Wiccan and pagans.

So Intellent designe would go like this... He/she/it/they are responsible for the design of the universe and the human race.

Also we must also put the option on the table that it may not be a God that did it at all but an Alien race simply more advanced as ourselves.

We are talking about putting other theories on the table? We should not exclude the alien theory just because some people don't believe in aliens just as the God theory should not be totally discredited because some people do not believe in a God.
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If you believers want intelligent designs in our schools it will be stipulated that one religion cannot be favored over another and you must include gods as well as God.
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@imuthis,

God must have created the world, other forces would exert influence over it and it's inhabitants. If there were multiple creators, it is unlikely that they would have totally cooperated and the inhabitants of the earth would be totaly different but equal and competing eternally, aided by their personal creator. Natural forces would clash with eachother and destroy eachother. It can only have been one God with one mindset.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;20488 wrote:

God must have created the world, other forces would exert influence over it and it's inhabitants. If there were multiple creators, it is unlikely that they would have totally cooperated and the inhabitants of the earth would be totaly different but equal and competing eternally, aided by their personal creator. Natural forces would clash with eachother and destroy eachother. It can only have been one God with one mindset.

Ever heard of the majority of the vote rules. The United States makes laws and rules all the time with many different conflicting views.
In Indian tribes it was the elders who had the final say in how things went.
Why would it be any different with gods and probably done even easier since they are not as emotional and small minded as humans since they are more advanced than us.

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@imuthis,

If there were any conflicting judgment, as there inevitably would be, the whole world would be thrown into chaos. I believe there must be one God with just one set of plans.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;18224 wrote:

I don't see why the two cannot co exist.

Because one's not real?

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@imuthis,

There's no evidence suggesting the existence of intelligent design (or whatever they want to call religion this week).

None.
Nada.
Zero.
Zilch.

Got it?

Besides, what would you teach? "We may or may not have been designed by other beings."

Now, I can see the use of a religion class. If you take all religions and compare them side by side equally you can see what they all are: superstition.

That way we can cure the disease that has negative side effects, like people flying planes into buildings and trying to halt the progress of science.

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@One Man Clan,

One Man Clan;21156 wrote:

Because one's not real?

In your opinion. Got proof?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;21483 wrote:

In your opinion. Got proof?

Sure.

No omniescient, omnipotent, all powerful, perfect God can exist in a universe in which free will exists.

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@imuthis,

I believe in intelligent design because i also believe that i was designed intelligently, who doesn't?

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@imuthis,

I don't believe my body was designed intelligently, but my "self" was.

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@One Man Clan,

One Man Clan;21546 wrote:

Sure.

No omniescient, omnipotent, all powerful, perfect God can exist in a universe in which free will exists.

That is not proof, it's an opinion. I'm sure you've got yourself convinced it's fact?

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@imuthis,

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No omniescient, omnipotent, all powerful, perfect God can exist in a universe in which free will exists.

Okay, yes he can, because he doesn't influence your choices. And though he knows what they will be, you still can make them whatever way you want.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;21747 wrote:

That is not proof, it's an opinion. I'm sure you've got yourself convinced it's fact?

No, it's fact.

Look up "contradiction".

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;21749 wrote:

Okay, yes he can, because he doesn't influence your choices. And though he knows what they will be, you still can make them whatever way you want.

They will invariably be as he knows them to be beforehand.

I can't change that.

How can he know what will happen if that hasn't been determined yet?

He can't. It must be determined.

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@One Man Clan,

One Man Clan;21777 wrote:

No, it's fact.

Look up "contradiction".

Plenty of things exist even when there is a contradiction. Back to square one?

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How can he know what will happen if that hasn't been determined yet?

Determined yet by you. Why do you assume because you have yet to determine such a thing he has not? Because you don't know you don't think he can know, that's pretty persumptious.

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@imuthis,

Clan Man - so far, we all know what you do not like. Is there any activity that you actually enjoy..?

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