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Evolution Vs. Intelligent Design

 
 
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:13 pm
@imuthis,
exactly, his argument is nonsense for the sake of nonsense

You can hand me a ball and I could tell you it exists, but even having it in my hand I can't even tell you how old that ball is or it's exact dimensions.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:25 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18232 wrote:
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Evolution is very real, we don't understand it yet but we know more now then we did 100 years ago. Evolution is nothing more then a tool used by intelligent design. There is to much order and not enough chaos in the natural world to suggest otherwise.

I do not believe the common young earth christian "theory" (which is little more then a misinformation campaign by fundamentalists) that earth is 6000 years old and Adam and Eve used to ride vegetarian Dino's in the Garden of Eden. I mean come on, this is as far out there as anything Islam puts out.

But still creation is the only explanation, even science knows that you cannot create something from nothing
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I do not believe the common young earth christian "theory" (which is little more then a misinformation campaign by fundamentalists) that earth is 6000 years old and Adam and Eve used to ride vegetarian Dino's in the Garden of Eden. I mean come on, this is as far out there as anything Islam puts out.

I don't know about Adam going broncobilly on a tricerotops but one thing that always stuck in my mind about the whole 6000 year thing.
I have heard different definitions for what a days consisted of back in the day. Todays standard is twentyfour hours. back then a day sometimes ment a few days, sometimes it ment an indefinate amout of time. If this played into context i see no problem thinking the earth was 6000 years old. So no i don't believe the earth is that old by todays standards.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:29 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;18247 wrote:
The old arguments still do not answer the 2 most fundamental questions ever - when did time begin and where does space end..? Whether fundamentalist or atheist, riddle me that.
From what i've read, most physisists think space and time were created at the same time. When the big bang occured. What caused the Big Bang? Most atheists don't like talking about that.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:32 pm
@imuthis,
the word used in the Torah for day was the Hebrew word "Yom", which has been defined as a period of time as little as 12hrs to as long as indefinite

In Genisis the earth was made in 6 Yoms, not the modern word day which refures to a 24hr period

Another fun fact. In the bible light is made on Yom one, but the Sun wasn't made until Yom 3. This means that the product of our sun (light and heat) came before the sun itself was created. As we know, this is simply impossible.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:35 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;18259 wrote:
The answer to that question is much bigger than an interent board. I don't think humans have the mind to comprehend it, hence things like religions that try to explain away what we do not understand. Once a friend told me to try an invision no color, no black, no white, no grey, just nothingness, it isn't something you can do.
All you have to do is invision darkness. There are no colors in the dark, but the darkness itself qualifies as black. Darkness is essentially the absense of light, with light color is possible IMO.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 03:53 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18289 wrote:
the word used in the Torah for day was the Hebrew word "Yom", which has been defined as a period of time as little as 12hrs to as long as indefinite

In Genisis the earth was made in 6 Yoms, not the modern word day which refures to a 24hr period

Another fun fact. In the bible light is made on Yom one, but the Sun wasn't made until Yom 3. This means that the product of our sun (light and heat) came before the sun itself was created. As we know, this is simply impossible.
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As we know, this is simply impossible
Impossible for us.
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Celerity
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:01 pm
@imuthis,
Muslims are the fastest growing populace on the planet.

Thus, Intelligent Design needs to either be refuted, or changed in name to "Unintelligent Design".
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imuthis
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:27 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18232 wrote:
word

Evolution is very real, we don't understand it yet but we know more now then we did 100 years ago. Evolution is nothing more then a tool used by intelligent design. There is to much order and not enough chaos in the natural world to suggest otherwise.

I do not believe the common young earth christian "theory" (which is little more then a misinformation campaign by fundamentalists) that earth is 6000 years old and Adam and Eve used to ride vegetarian Dino's in the Garden of Eden. I mean come on, this is as far out there as anything Islam puts out.

But still creation is the only explanation, even science knows that you cannot create something from nothing


How come a thing that we don't understand yet become real?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:36 pm
@imuthis,
well grammar is real and you don't understand that...

need another example?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 05:09 pm
@imuthis,
imuthis;18307 wrote:
How come a thing that we don't understand yet become real?


do you mean?

how can a thing that we don't understand yet become real?

well by using that as our barometer then

Atomic energy is only 60 years old

Dinosaurs are just a little over 100 years old

Electricity didn't exist before Franklin discovered it

North America didn't exist before 1776

seriously man, ignorant statement of the year
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 06:18 pm
@imuthis,
I go with intelligent design. We're too much like animals to consider ourselves directly descended from God.
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imuthis
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:36 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18315 wrote:
do you mean?

how can a thing that we don't understand yet become real?

well by using that as our barometer then

Atomic energy is only 60 years old

Dinosaurs are just a little over 100 years old

Electricity didn't exist before Franklin discovered it

North America didn't exist before 1776

seriously man, ignorant statement of the year


I'm just asking a question. You need not to mock me about my grammar just to prove to everybody here that you are the "MASTER DEBATER". Anyway, Your saying that these examples evolved?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:56 am
@imuthis,
I'm saying what is real is real, even if you don't know about it (that's what made the grammar comment funny)

and "master-debater" is a funny play on words, lighten up
imuthis
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 09:42 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18419 wrote:
I'm saying what is real is real, even if you don't know about it (that's what made the grammar comment funny)

and "master-debater" is a funny play on words, lighten up


:cool: I'm cool. These are already proven. For example; When Ronald Reagan became an actor does anybody knows that he would be a US President, of course not, only when this notion becomes a reality. The notion of the electron cloud is of today just a theory, eventually this will be proven as real or not. Same as my grammar as you commented, i don't know how to construct a well grammar therefore i know my grammar is "REAL" well constructed. Thus, a man cannot state whether or not it is real until he experienced that it is real.:cool:
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:10 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;18248 wrote:
I was contimplating the Big Bang theory a while ago and it hit me

does anybody know how a Black Hole works? What if a Big Bang was the product of a dying Black Hole? That would put the universe as we know it in a constant state of death and rebirth, which matches everything we know about natural law.



Mr Speth said that once.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:14 pm
@imuthis,
Is there seriously a following of the 6000 year thing?

Carbon dating would be out the window with that theory, we can carbon date something to a few years ago (when we can prove something came into existence a few years ago) so on that proof, widen the spectrum. I have a rock (paper weight) on my desk that was carboin dates 250,000,000 years.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:47 am
@imuthis,
What creationists don't appreciate is that God could have created the Universe in any fashion He chose. There's no point in trying to nail it down to any specific formulae, even those presented in the Bible. God transcends our knowledge in the creation department, big time. Let it go. Accept our lack of understanding, and just marvel at His wonderful works.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2007 06:47 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;18550 wrote:
What creationists don't appreciate is that God could have created the Universe in any fashion He chose. There's no point in trying to nail it down to any specific formulae, even those presented in the Bible. God transcends our knowledge in the creation department, big time. Let it go. Accept our lack of understanding, and just marvel at His wonderful works.



To just ACCEPT what we dont understand is called COMMUNISM, and I thought you were against that.

(Did I just compare god to communism? LMAO What the **** I compared the Bible to Mein Kampf a few weeks ago)
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2007 10:48 am
@imuthis,
Communism..? Mein Kampf.." WTF?
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2007 12:49 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;18229 wrote:
Lol, yea, because creationism makes sense lol. only if you believe in fairy tales.


Well I found something that might make one take notice. According to LiveScience.com Paleontologist Cynthia Marshall Faux is reporting that many of the dinosaur fossils show signs that the animals died in water and the current tugged their bodies into arched positions. This would be in keeping with the flood story. It is hard to understand how all these larger dinosaurs could of been presevered in mud all at the same time all over the earth unless there was a world wide flood in effect at the same time.
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