I will believe when.....

Sounds to me like your looking for heaven on earth. Thats not going to happen until Christ returns, and before Christ returns things are going to get much worse. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident, Gods plans are unfolding, and few understand or can see.

That is exactly right. That is why He includes us all into Heaven, even homosexuals. Perhaps homosexuals even have a preferred place because they are made to suffer injustice needlessly here on earth by those of little understanding of God.

Regards
DL

Well I'm not sure where you got that, but the Bible tells us that most people are headed for Hell. And suffering injustice has nothing to do with salvation.

Campbell34,
The Bible also seems to indicate that most of the Apostles were certain that the end would come in their life time. They were not sure when but they knew it would be before they died. But it didn't happen, they wrote the new testament and if they didn't get that right (the most important part) then what else did they get wrong. You may quote the bible all you wish, but it is a work of man not God. It has been re-written and change so much that the original intent of Jesus (whether he was divine or not) will never be known. If you devoutly follow the bible then you follow a fallacy.

I like your response Greatest I am. It shows a profound understanding (a self-actualization if you will). It is thought inspiring. Thanks.

When God gives us a Daughter "Imaculata".

When equality in religious dogma lifts itself out of the quagmire of medieval times and presents us answers to reality not parables when we were undereducated and drooled at magical messages and reveled in the superiority of the male species while subjugating the female.

I am not anti-religious , nor am I a ranting feminist. I am just looking for something I can believe in - one of those key beliefs being equality of all humans... no caveats allowed.

That would mean that God screwed up on the production of Perfect souls.
When did God loose the power to do Perfect works and souls.
Is His Perfect works so weak that we can damage or destroy His Perfections?

Regards
DL

Campbell34,
The Bible also seems to indicate that most of the Apostles were certain that the end would come in their life time. They were not sure when but they knew it would be before they died. But it didn't happen, they wrote the new testament and if they didn't get that right (the most important part) then what else did they get wrong. You may quote the bible all you wish, but it is a work of man not God. It has been re-written and change so much that the original intent of Jesus (whether he was divine or not) will never be known. If you devoutly follow the bible then you follow a fallacy.

None of the Apostles knew when the end would come, because even Jesus told them He did not even know. I believe they would of liked to of seen the kingdom Come in their time, but the prophecies were a long way from being fulfilled back then. The Jews were not driven out of Israel until 70 A.D. and this first had to happen before Christ could return, then according to the prophecies the Jews would have to return to the land of Israel and take Jerusalem back and this did not happen until 1948 and Jerusalem was retaken in 1967. And if the Bible is just a work of man why are the prophecies being fulfilled. Why is Jerusalems East Gate still sealed. As you get into the prophecies you will find, there is way to much going on here for the Bible to be just a simple work of man. And on a personal note, the God of the Bible has revealed Himself to me over many years, and I can tell you, He is no fallacy. He is alive, I have heard His voice, and I have seen His power.

The power you give God is over talking snakes and fish that spit out men after three days.
The Bible is just a collection of books that made the final cut.
Would you literally believe the other books as well if the Vatican made them part of the Bible?
I like you have heard the voice of God. What did He tell you.

Regards
DL

Once God told me to pray for a Job. I walked upstairs and prayed. As soon as I said the A of Amen the phone next to me began to ring and when I answered it the man on the other end ask me if I could start work for their company the next monday morning at 8 A.M. I did.

Another time God told me my wife was going to have a child. When I got home my wife was sleeping, yet just a few hours later she woke up and I found her in the bathroom. She was sick because as it turned out she was pregnant.

Another time God told me that He knew I was having a hard time living the life, but if I continued to follow Him He would take care of me, and then He told me that He loved me.

I have had many experiences with God, and He is wonderful. I have never had a friend like God. He is more than just a historical figure to me. I really know Him.

This is well and good but does not mean that there are talking snakes.

God has shown you His reality for a reason.
That reason cannot include you preaching the wrong philosophy.
Any philosophy that includes all the supernatural interferences of the Bible is wrong. God's philosophy must be logical. Miracles are not logical. God helps those who help themselves. If He wanted us to rely on them then He would make them available.
God creates Perfection. There is no need to interfere with Perfection with the supernatural, in fact the Bible tells us to not suffer a witch to live. In other words no supernatural is allowed in our reality.

Regards
DL

You have a total misconception of Gods miracles and witches. The reason I have such a close connection with God, is because I believe in God, and His Word. (YOU DONOT.) The God of the Bible has already told us that human wisdom is foolishness to Him. Your logic, is foolishness to God. And if you believe that you can dismiss the Bible and use your logic to reason your way to Heaven, I hope you have a lot of Air Conditioning stock.

You have God playing favorites with one people against the other. This is not likely what a God for all peoples would do.

God creates all souls. They are all Perfect so why would God play favorites.
Perhaps this is why the Jews have been hated for so long. Because others fear their inclusive God and prefer a God of inclusion that includes us all.

Regards
DL

The problem with this sort of panentheism is that no religion can be right or wrong. You've given them all equality, which means their particular theologies are wrong by claiming any sort of exclusivism. I hear ya, and feel drawn to that kind of ultimate toleration and inclusion. But, technically, if I go there, theologically, I have to rule out much of what Jesus, my Lord, taught, which of course, I can't do. It's a bit of a conundrum.

If God cannot be understood logically then He is a failure and not the true God.
Jesus wanted children around to teach because even children can understand God.
Even children know that snakes do not talk.
Even children know that being homophobic is wrong.

Regards
DL