Alchoolics given free apartments

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I'm glad they're addressing the problem with homeless people using the ER at tax payer's expense. But this?

Why the hell am I at work today to pay my rent? I could sit at home with an ice cold beer for free!

This makes me sick, and it's one step closer to socialism for this country. The American value that hard work is how you make your way in life came under fire the moment we started paying people for losing in life.

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@Silverchild79,

Your lilberal tax dollars at work.

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@Silverchild79,

Someone will always be living off your hard work, I suggest you get used to it. These people need it, you don't, be thankfull not hatefull. Think about it, does it really cost you that much? Your helping someone out, isn't that worth a few bucks? Yes I realise that many will abuse of this helping hand, but there are still those who will truely change because of this opportunity.

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@Silverchild79,

The funny thing about the article is that it is "saving money" over the cost of normal treatment for drunks - should "pay for itself in 5 years". Leave it to a politician to turn a gross expenditure into a gross saving.

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@Silverchild79,

While in San Francisco I offered to buy a drunk a meal. When he refused saying that he only wanted money for wine, I took back my $5. There is no help for the ones that refuse help. In my opinion, they need to be interred - completely cut off from society for the purpose of learning a useful skill, any useful skill after they dry out and set free only after they are ready to join society as productive, tax paying citizens. Failure is not an option. They only gain release when they are ready no matter how long the term.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;24936 wrote:

Tri-City Herald: State

I'm glad they're addressing the problem with homeless people using the ER at tax payer's expense. But this?

Why the hell am I at work today to pay my rent? I could sit at home with an ice cold beer for free!

This makes me sick, and it's one step closer to socialism for this country. The American value that hard work is how you make your way in life came under fire the moment we started paying people for losing in life.

Yeah....that's that Northwest Pacific Coast groupie-love-fest phenomenon at work again. You won't see that sort of thing down haar in Texas (well...maybe in Austin). :headbang:

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@socalgolfguy,

socalgolfguy;25015 wrote:

While in San Francisco I offered to buy a drunk a meal. When he refused saying that he only wanted money for wine, I took back my $5. There is no help for the ones that refuse help. In my opinion, they need to be interred - completely cut off from society for the purpose of learning a useful skill, any useful skill after they dry out and set free only after they are ready to join society as productive, tax paying citizens. Failure is not an option. They only gain release when they are ready no matter how long the term.

I like that. Lock their arses up. Some would like it, though, and deliberately arrange to stay indefinitely. Some are also mentally ill. I had some probationers on my caseload who were almost totally schizo. They really couldn't do probation, but the judges would give it to them anyway. They spent their entire adult lives in one of three places, constantly -- lock-down rehab, jail, the gutter.

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@Silverchild79,

My scenario of interment would not necessarily be a jail or a hospital, more like a commune using an abandoned military base. Everyone would work to support the camp. Those that were able would learn a useful trade and look forward to release. Those that could not, would live there and continue to serve the needs of the others, indefinitely. This solution solves a multitude of problems - housing, work and personal responsibility, learning to depend on others, making new friends, removing old bad influences and looking forward.

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@Silverchild79,

Maybe, but guess what that would be unfavorably compared to by Dems?

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@Silverchild79,

True enough. Any "camp" will be viewed unfavorably. I'm not talking tents here with gun towers. The socialists should like it - the whole work-makes-strength notion.

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@Silverchild79,

There is NO excuse for being homeless. There are to many programs and charitys to get you back on your feet, the only ones who you see on the street Have mental disability, drug or alcohol problems.

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@Silverchild79,

I hear ya - but there are endless stories on LA television news about the homeless. Many that are not drunks or addicts still refuse help. Some, out of fear of harm, some because they do not want to get too comfortable for fear of being thrown out. That I do not get. I still think that if you offer them hope through forced sobriety and responsibility of becoming a necessary member of a group through work they are far better off in the long run.

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@socalgolfguy,

socalgolfguy;25120 wrote:

My scenario of interment would not necessarily be a jail or a hospital, more like a commune using an abandoned military base. Everyone would work to support the camp. Those that were able would learn a useful trade and look forward to release. Those that could not, would live there and continue to serve the needs of the others, indefinitely. This solution solves a multitude of problems - housing, work and personal responsibility, learning to depend on others, making new friends, removing old bad influences and looking forward.

Good concept, if we could keep the frig'n lawyers out of it.

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@socalgolfguy,

socalgolfguy;25126 wrote:

True enough. Any "camp" will be viewed unfavorably. I'm not talking tents here with gun towers. The socialists should like it - the whole work-makes-strength notion.

Make them run in formation. The French will think we we're turning Nazi. Ha. Very Happy

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@Silverchild79,

SoCal... The reasons you gave as you know are still not excuses.

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@Silverchild79,

why do anything for them?

Isn't the purpose of a free market society to have those who will do succeed and those who will not do fail?

Why all of a sudden should the only people who reap what they sow be the successful? And why should they spend their tax dollars to provide for those who refuse to do for themselves?

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;25353 wrote:

why do anything for them?

Isn't the purpose of a free market society to have those who will do succeed and those who will not do fail?

Why all of a sudden should the only people who reap what they sow be the successful? And why should they spend their tax dollars to provide for those who refuse to do for themselves?

I feel sorry for a lot of them. I might sound like a concentration camp guard most of the time, but I do feel sympathy for people who are down and out. I've been to the depths of despair myself. I can empathize. Still, it should be more a function of charity than tax-subsidies. We're not in a depression.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;25353 wrote:

why do anything for them?

Isn't the purpose of a free market society to have those who will do succeed and those who will not do fail?

Why all of a sudden should the only people who reap what they sow be the successful? And why should they spend their tax dollars to provide for those who refuse to do for themselves?

That's a tough view, Silver. A little hard for even me to accept.

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@Silverchild79,

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why do anything for them?

Isn't the purpose of a free market society to have those who will do succeed and those who will not do fail?

Why all of a sudden should the only people who reap what they sow be the successful? And why should they spend their tax dollars to provide for those who refuse to do for themselves?

What would you do with the money you saved from your tax dollars?

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@markx15,

markx15;25527 wrote:

What would you do with the money you saved from your tax dollars?

Donate it to Little League.

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