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Defining Morality, Justice, Law and other ideals.

 
 
rufio
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 10:31 am
Better yet, Montana, how about the government doesn't throw people in jail for stupid things and stops stealing our income through taxes in the first place? Then people wouldn't need as much help...
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 11:24 am
laws are indirectly created by abuse; if there is no abuse of a specific freedom then no law is required to define it (never happens)

and that "definition" of the freedom in question is totally dependent on the nature of the society which defines it.

some societies are preoccupied by defining the potential abuses;
"there auta be a law against it!"
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 11:43 am
rufio wrote:
Better yet, Montana, how about the government doesn't throw people in jail for stupid things and stops stealing our income through taxes in the first place? Then people wouldn't need as much help...


It's not that easy, but I wish it were. Taxes are need to pay for schools, roads, snow removal, and the list goes on and on. What kills me is all the tax dollars that are wasted on so many unnecessary things. Unfortunately, we have no choices as far as our tax dollars are concerned.
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rufio
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 12:40 pm
If we got to keep all our money we could probably pay for our own children's education. It would probably be better too.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 12:49 pm
the more corrupt a society, the more numerous it's laws.
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acepoly
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 10:07 am
Bo made a wonderful point that the law came about due to the abuse of specific freedom. The discretion of people to extend the freedom as extensive as possible leads to the opposite, though. The modern individualistic society leaves a vacuum in terms of glue-like elements holding the society togother. Impugned and trampled as individualism takes hold, traditional morals are in the process of retreating. Communities are falling apart; individual values climb to the paramountcy. To fill the vacuum, law steps into the breach. Laws underpinned by the principle of rule of law are in nature pursuant to the protection of individuals rights and therefore to the maintenace of the individualistic society. Individualistic society and laws in conformity with the principle of rule of law are complementary to one another, and since rule of law is so deeply rooted in societies that the elimination of it is not a possibility, the individualistic society gets consolidated. Ironically, a liberal and individual society goes with a more rigid net of laws regulating human behaviors in a way that is external to human beings.

Everything entails a price to pay, and many will argue that having a society that upholds individuals' rights is worth the price. But to think of the law as subjecting human beings, however, makes you think it twice about how good the individualistic society is.
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rufio
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2003 03:25 pm
Turn that around and it will be more accurate, dyslexia.
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