@z0z0,
How about this, can everyone agree to this?
Unlike in the not-so-golden past of humanity, or in many places, the not-so-golden present, let's not treat women as chattel.
Agree? Good, I thought you would.
Now, I have a feeling we would all agree women should be allowed, say, to vote, to own property, to be paid the same amount as men for the same jobs, to have their choice in professions, to go to college, believe what they desire, have kids when they desire, to marry who they desire, live where they desire, do the things they desire, worship as they desire, and, you know, be treated as first-class citizens.
Now, same as above for men, also. (What? I'm lazy, and said all those things once already. )
Is that fine with everyone? Everybody gets the same freedoms, etc? I figure everyone agrees with that, right? I'd imagine you do, but do tell me if you disagree.
Now, our society, naturally, has a bunch of problems. But can we agree that freedom and political equality?
I dunno about what was being said before, I don't really care about dialectics and whatnot. But are there any problems with what I listed? Yes or no?