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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 07:11 pm
Can our Iron Lady shake her carbon tax goblin?
By ABC's Annabel Crabb
Updated July 18, 2011 08:45:47
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Once upon a time, there was a lady prime minister who was not terribly popular. In fact, she was at one time called "the most unpopular woman" in her country.

Protest rallies were marshalled against her, at which placards reading 'Ditch The Bitch' were waved. She was a former education minister, who wrenched the leadership off her predecessor, who then refused to retire and hung around the parliament, a thorn in her side. Her grating, distinctive voice was mocked; one writer described her as sounding "like a cat sliding down a blackboard".

The chick I'm talking about is Margaret Thatcher, but of course it could just as well be our own battling PM, a shy girl from Unley High who has spent this week dutifully copping it in a range of semi-controlled environments around this great nation of ours. Margaret Thatcher earned her 'Ditch The Bitch' placards in 1971, when as education minister she abolished free school milk for the over-sevens in British school. That's pretty hardcore. When you consider that Julia Gillard gets caned for handing out free libraries, you get an idea of the general trend described by the entitlement culture over the intervening four decades.

The Thatcher lesson is that it is possible for an unpopular person to be a successful leader. Also, that grit and determination can be political assets quite independently of the issues on which they are demonstrated. At the moment, grit and determination are probably Julia Gillard's only political assets. All she needs to do is convince people that that toughness will always be exercised in their interests, rather than against them. This is pretty difficult, though, for this reason: people are, on the whole, worried about the escalating cost of living much more right now than they are worried about climate change. Just ask David Jones. The perception of the PM is that she is acting decisively on the issue they don't care about so much, in a way that actually aggravates the very things they ARE worried about.

Plus, of course, there's the misleading comments about carbon taxes in the election campaign. That untruth has now established its own status in this debate. It is a living, snickering hobgoblin that follows Julia Gillard everywhere, and interrupts her every attempt to explain the changes she is proposing to bring about. Without the hobgoblin, Gillard's actual achievements would be far more apparent.

It's worth reviewing them: in the last week, Julia Gillard has released a carbon pricing scheme that is a viable – no, a near-inevitable – parliamentary proposition. It's a result that eluded her predecessor, even though he had far more tranquil waters to navigate. She has done that by negotiating with the Greens, but has somehow managed to wangle a package that is not (in my view) radically greener than the one the Coalition briefly supported nearly two years ago. How do we know that it's not a greenwash? Because petrol is exempt. Because two steel giants, BlueScope and OneSteel, this week declared themselves mollified. Even the zinc smelter dudes seem comparatively relaxed. And we know the coal industry can't be entirely doomed, because Peabody Energy wants to pay $5 billion for Macarthur Coal. Ms Gillard has also undertaken some substantial structural tax reforms that were too hard for her predecessors, raising the tax-free threshold in a way that encourages greater workforce participation at the bottom end of the income scale. Given the hysterical feel to the last few days, it seems counter-intuitive to observe that if you ignore the hobgoblin, the PM's actually had a pretty good week. But it's true. The problem is that you can't ignore the hobgoblin. And the hobgoblin's made the week a misery.

Preparedness to damage oneself politically in pursuit of a difficult reform has – in recent years – become a rare thing. Bipartisan gutlessness is what made the 2010 campaign so dreadful; the ghastly self-effacement of the People's Assembly on one side versus the national swifty that was the promise of a Coalition without an industrial relations policy on the other. Julia Gillard has changed that equation, certainly to her own detriment. Whatever you might think of the carbon policy itself, you couldn't deny that for a girl, the PM has some pretty serious cojones.

The fact that people feel comfortable yelling at her that she is a liar tells you a lot about the difficulty she is in; the extent to which respect for the office itself has corroded during her period of occupancy. But her response to it tells you a lot about her too. She has displayed no sign of panic, unless you count yesterday's micro-sniffle at the National Press Club. Compare this to her predecessor, who used to take Japan to the International Court of Justice every time his poll figures fell below the temperature of a Canberra summer's day.

Can a majority of people be convinced that all this steeliness is aligned to their interests? Can the PM fashion respect from dislike, as the other iron lady did? If she could shake the hobgoblin, she might have a chance.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 08:48 pm
@hingehead,
Good article by Annabel Crabb.
Thanks for posting it, hinge.

I tend to agree with most of what Crabb has written ... the impact of the "hobgoblin" anti-carbon tax opposition, in particular, will be very hard for Julia to overcome given our political media's unwillingness to pursue the details of the hobgoblin "argument". What exactly are Abbott & co proposing instead? Where are the details & where are the costings?
Abbott is making statements that would do the Tea Party in the US proud & is providing as little detailed argument to support his position as they have. And our political analysts appear to be letting him get away with it.

As to Julia Gillard being held in such low regard & the open insults & disrespect .... & if she can turn that around .... Well that is a more complicated matter. Things are certainly not looking good at this point in time:

More pain for Labor in latest poll:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-18/labor-slumps-in-nielsen-poll/2798170

But the thing is, so much of the anti-Gillard hysteria is very personal in nature. How to turn that around when much of the hysteria appears to be emotional (in my opinion) , rather than a rational response to government policy? I'm wondering if Labor's proposal to reduce carbon emissions would have been viewed somewhat differently if someone else was the current PM? I'm also wondering if the PM had been a male rather than a female, if the proposal would have been treated with more respect?
I tend to agree with this letter to the editor from today's AGE newspaper, though I doubt sexism is the entire expanation.:

Quote:
Fair go for females

THE treatment of Julia Gillard since becoming PM exposes double standards within Australian society. Recently we have seen that after becoming visibly upset, verging on tears even, several commentators (including Shaun Carney, 16/7) have decreed it a sign of weakness. How does Gillard's recent ''weakness'' differ from Kevin Rudd's, or Bob Hawke's similar public shows of emotion?

Similarly, we are told she has ''lied'' about a carbon tax; that she has ''backflipped''. How do Gillard's untruths differ from John Howard's ''non-core promises'' (GST?), Tony Abbott's WorkChoices or Ted Baillieu's ''backflip'' on teachers' pay?

The uncomfortable truth is Australian society and media are judging Gillard differently to male politicians. It is sad to note that many women who have achieved high public office in Australia have received rough treatment once there; Carmen Lawrence, Joan Kirner, Anna Bligh (pre-floods), Cheryl Kernot, et al.

Is the Australian ideal of the ''fair go'' reserved for men only?

Michelle Nelson, Kew

http://www.theage.com.au/national/letters/less-preaching-less-hypocrisy-20110717-1hkax.html

That letter writer could have included John Howard's personal decision to take us to war in Iraq, without consulting the Australian government, his own cabinet, nor the Australian people. Neutral

I lost quite a bit of respect for Julia Gillard myself (as you'd know from my posts here), as a result of her government's overly-pragmatic, wishy-washy approach to asylum seekers, her public position on Julian Assange & Wikileaks, slowness in delivery of industrial relations reforms, back-flips on cattle exports to Indonesia, etc, etc,

However on this very important issue, I am fully supportive of her position. And I agree with Annabel Crabb. Gillard should stick to her guns in this issue of principle. History will show she was right & the "hobgoblins" were wrong.
I know that doesn't necessarily equate with victory at the next election, but I (& I'm sure quite a few others, who have been turned off by Labor's pragmatism) would support her best efforts, too.

She needs to stick to her guns relentlessly & stick to the arguments, in the face of people who despise her, the Murdoch press, the hobgoblins & all the rest ....

That is how she will regain respect (if not the love) of many Australians.:

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Preparedness to damage oneself politically in pursuit of a difficult reform has – in recent years – become a rare thing. Bipartisan gutlessness is what made the 2010 campaign so dreadful; the ghastly self-effacement of the People's Assembly on one side versus the national swifty that was the promise of a Coalition without an industrial relations policy on the other. Julia Gillard has changed that equation, certainly to her own detriment. Whatever you might think of the carbon policy itself, you couldn't deny that for a girl, the PM has some pretty serious cojones.

The fact that people feel comfortable yelling at her that she is a liar tells you a lot about the difficulty she is in; the extent to which respect for the office itself has corroded during her period of occupancy. But her response to it tells you a lot about her too. She has displayed no sign of panic, unless you count yesterday's micro-sniffle at the National Press Club.




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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:20 pm
A terrific, just-published Drum article by Stephen Mayne:
Stephen Mayne, my hero! Smile

The Murdoch media game-changer:
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2798930.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:36 pm
@msolga,
extract:

Quote:

... Hmmm, where does that leave News Corp's 70 per cent market share in Australia? Such a dominant position Down Under allows this New York-based company to pick and choose which voices are heard by the masses in any public debate.

For instance, on Saturday I read Andrew Bolt's column in the Herald Sun railing against Bob Brown's call for a media inquiry and submitted a letter for publication in today's paper.

Alas, as occurs every time I submit a letter to the Herald Sun, the editor refused to publish. So, here it is:


Letter to the editor of the Herald Sun responding to Andrew Bolt column

Why is Andrew Bolt railing so hard (July 16) against Bob Brown, distorting his comments by claiming the Greens leader espouses views which represent a "first step to totalitarianism"?

Senator Brown is primarily concerned about the concentrated media power held by this paper's owners, News Ltd - a power that can enable the company to nationally promote and distribute a right wing reactionary commentator like Bolt, who the Herald Sun proudly declares is "Australia's most read columnist".

As a former business editor of the Herald Sun who spent eight years at News Ltd, I'm concerned about the global ethics of News Corporation after the British phone hacking scandal, and that the company has excessive and ever-growing power in Australia.

No other western democracy has a foreign-domiciled company which controls 70 per cent of the newspaper market. If British politicians can oppose News Corp moving to 100 per cent ownership of BSkyB, why aren't we having a debate as to whether News Corp managed Foxtel should be allowed to take over Austar for $2.7 billion and create an Australian pay-TV monopoly?

Similarly, I'm concerned that Rupert Murdoch's eldest son Lachlan Murdoch has been appointed a director and Acting CEO of Channel Ten whilst remaining a News Corp director.

This unhealthy concentration of media ownership and power is the core of the debate advanced by Senator Brown, not some desire to compulsorily acquire all privately owned media to create a government media monopoly, as occurs in totalitarian societies.


Stephen Mayne

Manningham
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 11:28 pm
@msolga,
That also applies to the US.

We have seen the damage done in our country by the postings made by conservative members on a2k. They repeat what they learned from FOX News - without so much as understanding what they are saying. They just parrot what they hear, and they have no ability to think on their own.

They call Obama a socialist and marxist, because that's what they heard on FOX News. They don't even understand the definition of those words.

It's frightening how much influence the media has on the minds of people.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 01:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
Hello, ci.
Fancy bumping into you here! Surprised

Quote:
It's frightening how much influence the media has on the minds of people.

Yes, I know.
The populist media, especially, has a helluva lot of power & influence.
If the message is kept really simple ("No big tax" -Tony Abbott, leader of the opposition in Oz) & repeated over & over & over, it is very hard to dislodge from people's minds. Especially if they don't understand, or don't want to understand, the details of whatever policy they are opposed to.

Joseph Goebbels said "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth"

Have you ever tried to have a really in-depth argument with anyone who calls Obama a "Marxist" or a "socialist"? (which is a pretty funny notion! Smile )
Or tried to talk to them about Marxism & socialism & how that might apply to Obama's policies?
The discussion couldn't happen. You can't argue with someone whose mind is already made-up, especially when their "arguments" are based on mindless propaganda.
They would discover that Obama's health care reforms (or what he originally wanted) are accepted & taken for granted in just about any other equivalent country, though many have gone a lot further. Does that make all the rest of us Marxists & socialists? (Not that there's anything wrong with Marxists & socialists. Wink )

Right now in Oz you would think the sky was falling in, because of a proposal by the Labor government to reduce carbon emissions. A couple of years ago we had a different proposal, with similar objectives. At that time it was pretty much accepted that we had to act & time was running out. Now it appears that Australians have regressed & no longer believe that we must act.
The difference between then & now? We now have an opposition leader who is running a ruthless scare campaign, based on simplistic slogans which would do the Tea Party proud. And we also have the Murdoch press which is giving this opposition leader a free ride, because it suits their own interests. Now that combination, while treating the prime minister with absolute derision, is very difficult to counter.
Sometimes I really despair.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 06:26 pm
http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1335496.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 06:46 pm
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/19/2501743/Tandberg-door-July-19-600x400.jpg
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 06:48 pm
@msolga,
I have been toying with Tony's next election campaign slogan.

I came up with

'**** you, unborn Jack'
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 06:49 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/20/2504275/Tandberg-Opinion-Polls-July-20-600x400.gif
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 09:12 pm
Media paying attention to Julia's 'Don't write crap' advice?

A close look at Abbott's Direct Action plan
Ben Eltham
Source

Going by the opinion polls just now, it can't get much worse for Labor.

Twenty-two points down in the latest Nielsen poll isn't just bad. It's catastrophic. An election held this weekend would wipe Labor off the map in Queensland and Western Australia. The Coalition would end up with a massive majority and control of the Senate to boot.

The next election will not be until 2013, barring misfortune or worse. But let's give these polls their due for a second. What if Kevin Rudd's aortic valve gave out this weekend, and the Government of Julia Gillard fell?

What exactly are the policies of the Coalition, and would they work? After all, there's been plenty of media scrutiny of the Government's carbon tax. There's been precious little on the Opposition's own carbon policy, which it calls "Direct Action", or the many sweeping statements on climate change and the carbon tax by Tony Abbott.

On Monday night on the ABC's PM program, Stephen Long finally examined some of Tony Abbott's claims. In a stunning piece of forensic investigation, Long single-handedly dismantled the distortions, misrepresentations and bald-faced lies that Tony Abbott continues to advance.

"Full credit to the Opposition Leader's political skill," Long said in his report.

"But he's been aided and abetted by journalists who've continued to report unchallenged claims that appear to contradict facts."

Long singled out Tony Abbott's claims that the carbon tax would be "toxic" for the economy, and that it would shut down the coal industry. There is no factual basis for either argument. According to Long, "every credible analysis including the industry's own says the coal industry is going to enjoy a massive expansion despite the Government's carbon price."

But almost no-one in the mainstream media has bothered to hold Tony Abbott to account. Just to take one example, let's examine Abbott's argument, repeated a number of times, that Australia will be "going it alone" in introducing a price on carbon. It's hard to understand how this argument was ever accepted by anyone. The European Union has had an emissions trading scheme since 2005, whatever its manifest flaws. India has introduced a tax on coal. China has recently announced it will launch a pilot program for emissions trading in the next five years. California, the world's eighth-largest economy, has an emissions trading scheme at a state level, which will soon be linked to the European scheme.

To say some sections of the Australian media are against the carbon tax is something of an understatement. As Jonathan Holmes pointed out this week on Media Watch, some parts of the talk-back radio sector are spewing out hatred against the Prime Minister that is nothing short of sexual vilification. The anti-carbon tax campaign from the Murdoch tabloids is unbalanced in a different way, cooly and calculatingly mispresenting the factual basis of climate change and the details of the carbon tax for reasons of cynical political animus.

So let's exert some scrutiny on Tony Abbott and the Coalition. What is 'Direct Action'? What does it promise? Will it work?

This is the Coalition's Direct Action Plan. It promises to "reduce CO2 emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 based on 1990 levels."

Several gaffes by Abbott this week suggests any Coalition commitment to the 5 per cent target should be considered highly conditional, to be charitable. But even if we believe the Opposition that it remains committed to the 5 per cent target, can Direct Action deliver that?

Despite the rhetoric, Direct Action contains much that is similar to the Government's carbon policy eventually agreed with the Greens and independents. Like the Government's policy, it will spend billions on retiring dirty power plants in the La Trobe valley like Hazelwood. Like the Government's plan, Direct Action promises to invest in clean tech and renewable energy. And, believe it or not, Direct Action also promises to establish a form of carbon pricing.

Unlike the Government's scheme, however, it will not cap Australia's carbon emissions, it will not allow carbon pollution credits to be traded on a market, and it will not charge polluters for their emissions.

Instead, the Coalition plans to tackle carbon emissions by paying industry to pollute less, through an Emissions Reduction Fund. As the Direct Action policy document states:

The Fund will commence operation in 2011-12 with an initial allocation of $300 million, increasing to $500 million in 2012-13, $750 million in 2013-14 and $1 billion by 2014-15. It is envisaged that the Fund will invest an annual average of around $1.2 billion in direct CO2 emissions reduction activities through to 2020.

The Coalition will also spend another billion or so on policies such as its $400 million "one million solar roofs" program.

Totalling those numbers up gives a total spend of $9.22 billion out to 2020. Showing typically fuzzy accounting values, the Coalition has also said it will cap the cost of the program at $10.5 billion out to 2020. That's money that the Coalition says will come from "normal budget processes", which means either more tax, more borrowing, or spending cuts. Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey have already promised that money will not come from extra taxes. That means an incoming Abbott government has committed to more than $10 billion in spending cuts in order to pay for its carbon policies.

Where will the carbon reductions come from? The Coalition says the majority will come from soil carbon. Soil carbon is a promising technology being investigated by a number of countries. An Abbott government plans to pay farmers $8-10 for each tonne of carbon they can lock up in their soil. As a result, the Coalition says 85 million tonnes of carbon emissions can be abated.

The problem is, the technology is not proven yet. Even if the Government spends billions, we don't really know how much carbon we can sequester. According to a comprehensive scientific review of soil carbon technology by the CSIRO last year, "a general lack of research in this area is currently preventing a more quantitative assessment of the carbon sequestration potential of agricultural soils".

The conclusions of the CSIRO report are worth reporting at length:

When [soil carbon] stocks were followed through time, the majority of studies indicated that there was an actual decrease in the quantity of carbon stored in the soil. These seemingly contradictory results suggest that much of Australia's agricultural soils may still be responding to initial land clearing and that many management improvements are just slowing the rate of loss [soil carbon]... it may be extremely difficult to project these findings out into the future where the soil carbon condition is unknown.

In other words: the CSIRO's soil carbon trials actually showed a decrease in the amount of carbon stored in the soil! Not only this, but the report says it is "extremely difficult" to predict whether soil carbon farming practices will work in the future.

Measuring soil carbon across an entire continent isn't easy either. According to the CSIRO report, "accurate monitoring and verification of soil carbon stock changes, due to the large and heterogeneous background levels are difficult and often prohibitively expensive" But the Coalition's policy doesn't explain how it will measure soil carbon, or advance any costings that explain the expense of measuring soil carbon.

Many farmers are already arguing that $8-10 a tonne is far too low. Michael Kiely of the Carbon Coalition, who was cited by the Opposition when they first released their policy, says that the price paid to farmers would need to "start at $25 and head north."

In other words, the Coalition is basing 60 per cent of its Direct Action policy on a technology that the CSIRO says it can't predict will work, and can't measure adequately either.

The story of the Canadian government's forestry policy shows what can go wrong when natural systems are used as climate policy instruments.

In 2002, Canada announced that it planned to rely on tree planting and improved forestry practices to achieve one-third of its Kyoto emissions reduction targets. This didn't happen. Instead, huge swathes of forest died, due to catastrophic infestations of the Mountain Pine Beetle. As a result, Canadian forest scientists estimate that Canada's forests went from a source of carbon reduction to a source of carbon emissions.

What caused the Mountain Pine Beetle infestation? Scientists believe it was in part climate change itself. Cold winters normally kill off Mountain Pine Beetles in large numbers, but as winters warm in the North American forests, fewer beetles are dying.

Leaving aside soil carbon, the second-biggest source of the Coalition's planned carbon abatement is energy efficiency and green building standards. The Direct Action policy promises a total of "20-30 million tonnes" of carbon emissions reductions by 2020 through this mechanism.

Direct Action is amazingly sketchy on how this will be achieved. It devotes all of two sentences to this aspect of its policy:

[A] Coalition Government will work with a range of industry groups including the Clean Energy Council, the Energy Efficiency Council, the Green Buildings Council and the Property Council to develop complementary energy efficiency measures.

The mechanism appears to be payments to developers through "a CO2 abatement price of $15 per tonne.

Can these payments by the government actually achieve a 5 per cent cut in Australian greenhouse gas emissions out to 2020? Nearly every credible analyst says no. The Australia Institute's Richard Denniss and Matt Grudnoff have performed the most substantial analysis of Direct Action. They conclude that Direct Action will cost taxpayers $11 billion a year, require a thicket of new regulations and hundreds of new bureaucrats to enforce them.

The Treasury agrees. In its Red Book briefing for the incoming government, the Treasury stated bluntly that when it comes to cutting carbon emissions, "direct action initiatives alone will not do the job." Its Blue Book, prepared for the Coalition should it have won government, was even blunter. "A broad based market mechanism which prices carbon," Treasury wrote, "...is the only realistic way of achieving the deep cuts in emissions that are required."

Direct Action is ultimately a competitive grants scheme essentially identical to "cash for clunkers" and other expensive and ineffective government spending programs to reduce emissions that have already failed under the Howard, Rudd and Gillard governments - as the Australian National Audit Office and the Grattan Institute have both found. Like these programs, Direct Action is likely to achieve any emissions reductions at an exorbitant cost. One million solar roofs, for instance, will cost $133 for every tonne of carbon it abates.

If you stop to think about it for a minute, it's obvious that Direct Action won't work. It doesn't introduce a proper market mechanism for carbon abatement. It doesn't seek to cap Australia's carbon emissions. The odds are against it, even before we examine the depth of the Coalition's actual commitment to addressing climate change. No wonder Tony Abbott can't find any economists or climate scientists prepared to support it.

The take-home message is simple. The Coalition's plan is based on incomplete science, dubious economics and breath-taking political expediency. It will be hugely expensive. It won't cut carbon emissions. It won't even lead to lower taxes. And it will still introduce a shadow price for carbon.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 11:24 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
I have been toying with Tony's next election campaign slogan.

I came up with

'**** you, unborn Jack'

... & **** your offspring, too!

Neutral
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 11:32 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
....The take-home message is simple. The Coalition's plan is based on incomplete science, dubious economics and breath-taking political expediency. It will be hugely expensive. It won't cut carbon emissions. It won't even lead to lower taxes. And it will still introduce a shadow price for carbon.

I'm sure that the Andrew Bolt & the rest of the Murdoch media will point this out soon in their headlines & demand that he change his policy to something that would actually work, yes? Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 11:41 pm
Oh BTW, "Lord Monckton" who has been out here campaigning for the climate change sceptics, received a slap over the knuckles from the "House of Lords" (weird concept, a house of lords) in Britain for claiming he is a member of the House, when he isn't.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-19/monckton-letter/2799750

I guess really, it's irrelevant to us whether he is or he isn't .... but he definitely sounds like some variety of very unpleasant fruitcake!

Quote:
Monckton mocks 'darling' PM at Sydney rally
Posted July 09, 2011 18:00:00
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2788302-3x2-340x227.jpg

Controversial climate change sceptic Lord Christopher Monckton has mocked Prime Minister Julia Gillard on the eve of the Government's carbon tax announcement, saying Australia will become a "third world banana monarchy" if it introduces the tax.

Speaking at a rally of those against the tax in Sydney's Hyde Park on Saturday, Lord Monckton said the Prime Minister was destroying her own country.

"If this carbon tax goes through then it's bye-bye Australia, it's been nice to know you," he told the crowd of hundreds.

The rowdy crowd continually cheered and there were chants of "ditch the witch" and "no more Greens".

Lord Monckton, who is visiting from the UK, repeatedly used a mock Gillard accent to say he agreed with the Prime Minister, but only when she said "the Government I lead will not introduce a carbon tax". ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-09/monckton-mocks-darling-pm-at-sydney-rally/2788296
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 12:14 am
This is just laughable.
It is not about phone hacking in Oz, Tony.
It is about ownership & ethics of Oz newspapers, which Rupert Murdoch controls 70% of.
You know, the very newspapers which are relentlessly attacking Labor (especially Gillard) & the Greens at the moment (& since the last election) & are giving Abbott a free ride.
That's what's intimidating & wrong & should be questioned. :


Quote:

Gillard trying to intimidate press: Abbott

Jeremy Thompson.ABC NEWS

Updated July 21, 2011 15:08:43
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2804702-3x2-340x227.jpg
Mr Abbott says Ms Gillard's comments are a bid by the Government to avoid scrutiny. Photo: Mr Abbott says Ms Gillard's comments are a bid by the Government to avoid scrutiny. (Megan Neil)

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has attacked Prime Minister Julia Gillard's suggestions that the Murdoch-owned News Limited has "hard questions to answer" saying they are a "thinly veiled attempt to intimidate the press".

Yesterday, Ms Gillard demanded that News Limited answer questions about its conduct in Australia in the wake of the British phone-hacking scandal.

But Mr Abbott says Ms Gillard's comments have nothing to do with the News of the World phone-hacking scandal and are instead a bid by the Government to avoid scrutiny.

"Frankly it demeans our polity for this kind of thing to go on. Prime ministers of Australia should be better than that and I call on the Prime Minister to put up or shut up when it comes to those sorts of issues," he said.

Two Government ministers, Treasurer Wayne Swan and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, have accused News Limited's Daily Telegraph of bias, saying it is following an anti-Labor agenda.

"Let’s not have more attempts by ministers to bluff media organisations out of proper reporting of the Government's carbon tax disaster," Mr Abbott told reporters in Melbourne this morning.

"We've been very well served by the media in Australia. Yes, politicians don't always like the coverage that they get, but if you are in public life you've got to take the rough with the smooth.

"A vigorous, critical media is an important part of a healthy democracy and I think the Prime Minister should accept that."

'People are disturbed'

Ms Gillard said yesterday that people are "disturbed" by what they have seen happen in the UK "with phone hacking and the like".

The scandal has lead to the closure of the 168-year-old News of the World Sunday paper, the first masthead Rupert Murdoch bought in Britain.

"I do believe Australians, watching all of that happening overseas with News Corp, are looking at News Limited here and wanting to see News Limited answer some hard questions," Ms Gillard said.

News Limited chief executive John Hartigan says News journalists in Australia do not use phone hacking and he is "hugely confident" there is no improper conduct in his newsrooms.

"I've worked in newspapers for 45 years, a lot of that as an editor. I know the newsrooms, I know how cultures develop, and I'm hugely confident that there is no improper or unethical behaviour in our newsrooms," he told the ABC's 7.30.

Today, Ms Gillard said that she "notes" Mr Hartigan has ordered a review into the conduct of News Limited newspapers in Australia.

"So the CEO of News Limited [is] asking some questions himself. It's not surprising Australians are asking themselves the question too, 'What does this mean for Australia?'," she said.

Greens leader Bob Brown, who has had some celebrated run-ins with News Limited journalists, has called for an inquiry into the ownership and ethics of the Australian media.

Senator Brown wants "fit and proper" character tests for newspaper proprietors and a review of ownership regulation in light of News Limited's domination of the capital city newspaper market.


Ms Gillard has said she is open to the suggestion of an inquiry.


Mr Abbott drew the distinction between the Government's new push for a tightening of privacy laws - which may lead to restrictions on what the media can publish - and the suggested media inquiry.

"I'm happy to look at proposals for greater privacy protection, but what I will never support is any attempt to try to bluff the media out of doing its job which is to hold bad governments to account."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-21/abbott-on-news-ltd-hard-questions/2804430
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:59 am
Annabel Crabb isn't well and is staying it bed until it's less silly out there
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-21/crabb-there-are-days-when-politics-just-gives-me-the-sheets/2804736

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2. Tony Abbott is claiming he never supported an emissions trading scheme. Jaded observers will interpret this as simply another instance of Abbott revisionism, but I think it's a crucial new development. It demonstrates that the Leader of the Opposition is now prepared to deny even things that he has put in writing. Moreover, The Age references a recent public meeting in South Dandenong at which Mr Abbott explained to the audience why carbon dioxide is difficult to measure in the atmosphere: "It's actually pretty hard to do thus because carbon dioxide is invisible and it's weightless and you can't smell it." Having thus rendered carbon dioxide formally non-existent, Mr Abbott nevertheless maintains his intention to give this wily non-gas a hard time in the years between now and 2020, by soaking it up with extra trees and burying pellets of it in people's paddocks. But he will encourage new brown-coal power stations, apparently: Verdict: Stay In Bed. Place Pillow Over Face.
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 03:29 am
Hinge, did you watch Media Watch on Monday night?

If you did, you would have heard this recorded extract from presenter, Chris Smith, of radio 2GB in Sydney, encouraging listeners to attend an anti-carbon tax rally in Canberra. He keeps referring to "we" as the carbon policy opponents. So he'd be including himself.

From the MW transcript. (The entire program is available at the link below in video.)


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"Chris Smith: Making a difference is what you can do if you commit to travelling to Canberra, if you're in Canberra simply going into Parliament house ...

And if we can't eclipse what happened in March when we had 4000 gather around Parliament House, we will lose this fight...

We must make a bigger stand and rock the Prime Minister's boat one final time


— 2GB, The Chris Smith Afternoon Show, 14th July, 2011"

2GB's Chris Smith spruiking a no carbon tax rally planned for next month. But as the ABC's Alison Carabine asked his boss last week...

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"Alison Carabine: Is it really the role of a media outlet to try and influence policy like this?
The traditional role of the media is to cover a political issue, such as the carbon tax, not to try and kill it off.

Ian Holland: I don't think he's trying to kill anything off. I think he's just made a statement which is probably quite factual.


— ABC Radio National, Breakfast, 15th July, 2011"


http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3272172.htm

I know that this sort of shock jock spruiking is very much a 2GB thing, nothing all that new in what was presented on Media Watch, unfortunately ....
But I was wondering: what's behind it?
I checked & 2GB is operated by the Macquarie Group.
I strongly doubt it's some sort of accident that Alan Jones Rolling Eyes also works for 2GB .....

What I'm wondering is, do you know what's the story with the Macquarie Group & the political lines pushed by 2GB presenters? ... connections with the Liberal Party? Who's supporting this sort of aggressive & blatant political posturing at 2GB? (It's obvious who would benefit from it!)
Do you have any idea?

I find it very hard to believe that the likes of Alan Jones & Chris Smith are simply engaging in spontaneous populist rantings of this sort as individuals.
We don't have anything quite like this in Melbourne (thank god!). It's quite baffling trying to understand what's behind this "Sydney phenomenon".

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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:17 pm
Good on you, Malcolm Turnbull.

At least there is one member of the Liberal Party with the guts to speak up, to see this very important issue as much more than political advantage & the next election.

Bravo!:


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Turnbull defends scientists
Michelle Grattan/the AGE
July 22, 2011

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http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/22/2509219/1_turnbull_thumb_16x9-408x264.jpg

MALCOLM Turnbull has urged people to speak out loudly on behalf of the science of climate change.

In a strong assault on sceptics such as Lord Christopher Monckton who attack the science, Mr Turnbull declared: ''We cannot afford to allow the science to become a partisan issue as it is in the United States.''

Believing in the science did not put a Liberal at odds with party policy, he stressed in a lecture in Sydney last night. He said there had been a very effective campaign against climate science by those opposed to cutting emissions, and this had affected the carbon tax debate.

But rejecting the science was ''like ignoring the advice of your doctor to give up smoking on the basis that somebody down the pub told you their uncle Ernie had lived to 95 and smoked like a train all his life''.

Mr Turnbull supports emissions trading but as a shadow minister is bound to support the opposition policy, which now opposes a carbon tax or trading system.

He said that the CSIRO and other science agencies were listened to with respect on most issues. ''Yet on this issue there appears to be a licence to reject our best scientists … and rely instead on much less reliable views.'' he said. ''Those of us who do not believe the CSIRO is part of an international Green conspiracy to undermine Western civilisation should not be afraid to speak out and loudly, on behalf of the science.''

Mr Turnbull also said the argument that tackling carbon emissions in Australia was pointless until China and India acted was ‘‘incredibly embarrassing’’.

Mr Abbott this week said that aiming to reduce carbon emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 - his party’s own policy - was ‘‘crazy" when China was planning to increase its emissions.

But Mr Turnbull said Chinese emissions per person were a fifth of Australia's and India's less than a tenth.

"Our regular references to their emissions and 'why should we do anything until the Chinese and the Indians do something' - they find those references incredibly galling," he said.

"How incredibly embarrassing statements like that are when you actually confront representatives of those countries."


http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/turnbull-defends-scientists-20110721-1hr6s.html
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 12:16 am
@msolga,
Hi Olgs, yep I caught Media Watch last monday - strange News Ltd doesn't own 2GB.

http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ME110723.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 12:26 am
@hingehead,
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strange News Ltd doesn't own 2GB.

Yep, sure is hinge.
Coulda fooled me!
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