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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 02:31 am
@msolga,
Does this remind you of any current Oz political leader? Wink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Matthew_Beovich_and_B_A_Santamaria_1943.jpg/220px-Matthew_Beovich_and_B_A_Santamaria_1943.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._A._Santamaria
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 02:51 am
@msolga,
Please don't get me wrong, anyone reading this thread. I have absolutely no problem with anyone holding religious convictions. (Well, apart from extreme fundamentalists, of any religious hue. I find them very scary, indeed! )
BUT, I do have a very big problem with religion mixed with politics.
Religion & politics, in my view, should be kept completely separate.
In any case, there is no one religion in Oz which serves all of the religiously inclined. And there are many, many non-religious folk in Australia, too. The majority, I'd guess.
The last (government) survey I saw suggested that Buddhism was actually the fastest growing religion in this country.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 06:18 am
Oh good grief, what next? Surprised

Now (former ALP leader) Mark Latham has been tracking Julia Gillard today. Mr Latham is apparently working as a reporter for Channel 9!

I can't believe this, I really can't....

What next? (Former Labor PM) Bob Hawke to ditch Blanche & propose marriage to Julia? Razz

Don't scoff. Anything is possible in this mad campaign. Anything. :


Quote:
Former leaders dog Gillard's campaign
Updated 3 hours 8 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r615285_4093842.jpg
Ms Gillard was confronted by Mr Latham while campaigning in Brisbane. (AAP: Andrew Meares)

Prime Minister Julia Gillard's election campaign has again been sidetracked by former Labor leaders Kevin Rudd and Mark Latham.

This afternoon Ms Gillard briefly stopped in at Brisbane's Ekka show where she was confronted by Mr Latham, who had been following her for much of the day.

The former Labor leader is compiling a segment on the election campaign for Channel Nine and asked her why Labor had complained to the network about his presence.

Ms Gillard said she did not know anything about the complaint.... <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/07/2976489.htm

Quote:
VIDEO: Julia Gillard, meet Mark Latham
Source: ABC News
Published: Saturday, August 7, 2010 7:09 AEST
Expires: Friday, November 5, 2010 7:09 AEST

Watch former Labor party leader Mark Latham meet Prime Minister Julia Gillard at an election campaign event at the Brisbane Showground.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/08/07/2976494.htm
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 08:33 am
@msolga,
What a turd!!! (Latham, I mean.)
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 08:00 pm
@dlowan,
Deb, I am so furious about this (mainly with Channel 9 ... first the Laurie Oaks "leaks" & now the Latham fiasco in Qld) ..
I've just posted off a letter to the editor (to my usual paper of choice) & to the ABC online discussion.
I think channel 9 has over-stepped itself this time. There will be quite a backlash.

I feel better now. Got it all off my chest! Very Happy Wink
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 08:13 pm
@msolga,
See what I mean? Wink

A bit of attempted face saving, more than anything else, I think.

Rather late for an apology, after the actual spectacle was last night's news, though.:


Quote:

Nine apologises to PM over Latham act
August 8, 2010 - 8:50AM

Yesterday, Nine apologised to Prime Minister Julia Gillard over her treatment by Mr Latham, who is on assignment for its flagship current affairs program taping a ''diary'' story about media coverage of the campaign.

Nine Network CEO David Gyngell said in a statement issued yesterday that he had personally apologised to Ms Gillard for the approach by Mr Latham while she was campaigning in Brisbane.

Mr Gyngell said the approach lacked proper respect.

After seeing the vision of Mr Latham's questioning of the prime minister while representing the 60 Minutes program, the network boss said he believed the conduct of the interview was inappropriate.

"I'm all for freedom of speech and robust scrutiny of our public figures, but my strong view of today's exchange is that it crossed the line," he said in a statement.

"The prime minister of Australia, whomever that might be and whatever their political stripe, deserves to be treated with a due level of respect.

"I think that was missing today."



http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-election/nine-apologises-to-pm-over-latham-act-20100808-11ppn.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 03:50 pm
@msolga,
olgs wrote:
Well, if they already had "guaranteed jobs", they wouldn't be needing unemployment benefits, would they?
What the hell are the Libs on about here?
A volunteer scheme?


First I've heard of it Olgs, but do think the benefits they are talking about aren't unemployment benefits but employment benefits? i.e. sick leave, shift loadings, penalty rates, job security?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 03:52 pm
Coincidentally I was watching Sky News prior to Julia's seniors home press launch where Latham showed up and doorstopped.

It was fascinating to listen to the journo's rabbit on about 'what a distraction' this was. Well it's only a distraction if the media focus on it. Felt like Alice talking to blue caterpillars...
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 03:56 pm
To paraphrase a cute tweet I saw recently

"I've decided not to buy the Telegraph* anymore, instead I'm just going imagine what Rupert Murdoch wants me to think"


* (substitute Herald Sun, Tizer, Courier Mail, NT News, Mercury depending on your state)
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 05:44 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
"I've decided not to buy the Telegraph* anymore, instead I'm just going imagine what Rupert Murdoch wants me to think"


* (substitute Herald Sun, Tizer, Courier Mail, NT News, Mercury depending on your state)


Wink

Yup, everybody knows ...
Everybody knows ...
that's how it goes .....

Add channel 9 to that list.

By the way, given that Queensland voters are so much the focus of both political parties at the moment, any local highlights of the campaign you'd care to report? Any recent interesting incidents of pork barreling, for example? Are the pollies patting your dog a great deal in an attempt to gain your vote? How are the locals coping with the onslaught?
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:16 pm
@msolga,
Hi Olgs

At the last election Warren Entsch (Lib) retired pre-ballot and Jim Turnour (ALP) took Leichhardt (a bellweather seat). Entsch has come out of retirement to save us.

We've had a unending stream of pollies from both sides up here. I don' t know that I have my finger on the voters' pulse, being at a university (read: 'hotbed of commie radicals') but there was at least one instance of Entsch suggesting that he had a better use for infrastructure (for a cultural precinct) funding that had recently been announced by the ALP, only to have Abbott announce that funding would go to Townsville (in Herbert, currently held by the Libs) rather than Cairns.

That's kind of interesting as it suggests that Tony's puppeteers either think Entsch is a shoe-in, or that the retirement of Peter Lindsay in Herbert means it is in danger of losing this marginal seat, ALP is fielding a popular ex-mayor, while the Libs have a businessman who isn't a 'true' local (ie moved there in 1994).

I live in Queensland, but I don't consider myself in the Queenslander mind set. One has to remember how much the queensland population has grown in the last two decades most of it from interstate migration so I think that isolationist attitude been diluted (but it's still around - a local Cairns alderman was pushing for an FNQ secession earlier in the year). I don't see people up in arms about Kevin Rudd's deposement. Surprise sure, but their hearts aren't full of revenge.

I think to that us newbies tend to keep our opinions to ourselves, not wanting to offend the 'locals', but in the voting booths we speak loudly.

I predict that ALP will win Leichhardt, but only on green preferences.

Herbert is tougher because the green candidate is not directing his preferences anywhere.

What will be interesting is Kennedy - maybe enough people have moved there who realise Bob Katter is a complete knob. ALP candidate is Jim Turnour's second cousin, but not really a chance, but the Lib/Nat candidate could beat Bob in primary vote, but then Labor prefs would get Bob in, likewise if labour beat Bob on primary the lib prefs would still get him in. Speaking of Bob Nearly laughed my scrotum off when I saw his ad on TV:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/hayseed-amigos-could-control-power-20100805-11im2.html?autostart=1
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:36 pm
And now, the highlight of the campaign so far! Wink
The Libs' campaign launch!

Oh this photograph! It's back to the future! Shocked Brings all those terrible memories right back! :


Quote:
Abbott calls for end to Labor's 'gutless spin'

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r615528_4096552.jpg[/quote]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/08/2976719.htm

There goes the public service!:
Quote:
Within the first week, a debt reduction taskforce, chaired by Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb, would be launched, Mr Abbott said.


Here's what the Libs are promising. (Apart from saving Oz from "the worst government in its history" & providing "grown-up government"). Very funny. :

Quote:
"Not since 1975 has there been such a time in Australian politics. Our task is nothing less than to save Australia from the worst government in its history," he said.

Aside from his already announced toughening of boat people laws, he also announced he would on "day one" of an Abbott government:

* Lift the "mining tax threat";

* Lift the "carbon tax threat";

* Start negotiations with the president of Nauru to re-open the refugee processing centre there;

* Act to stop marine parks;

* Suspend payments for the "schools halls" programme to the states and redirect the money to school communities.

He also said he would, in his first week of governing:

* Announce his Cabinet and National Security Committee;

* Establish a debt reduction taskforce.

In the first month of his government he said he would:

* Release an economic statement;

* Release the Murray-Darling Basin Plan for consultation;

* Re-introduce Temporary Protection Visas (TPVs) for boat people;

* Implement new arrangements to reimburse householders for insulation batts safety inspections;

* Publish the modelling associated with the Henry Tax Review.

In the first three months of his government, he would:

* Prepare an Emissions Reduction Fund;

* Enact small business reforms;

* Finalise recruitment arrangements for a green army of environmental workers;

* Establish a National Violent Gangs Squad;

* Meet with COAG to secure agreement on hospital boards and beds;

* Visit Afghanistan.

Earlier this week former Coalition treasurer Peter Costello said he believed an incoming government should implement a further round of personal tax cuts.

However Mr Abbott said today that Mr Costello had a $20 billion surplus and that tax reform was much harder with a $40 billion deficit

But Mr Abbott said if elected his government would within a year "outline its plans and its timetable for further reform."


(Now, if this last line of the AGE quote doesn't put a shiver up your spine, I dunno what will! Shocked )

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/the-leaders/abbott-promises-grownup-government-20100808-11pvd.html
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:37 pm
@msolga,
Did I dream Labor were up in the polls?

msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:57 pm
@dlowan,
Nope, Deb, you didn't dream it. The last poll I saw (Friday/weekend?) put Labor a nose in front of the Libs. (I'll see if I can find the details.) A wee bit of ground has been clawed back.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:02 pm
@msolga,
Don't worry about the details...I can't bear to watch!
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:14 pm
@dlowan,
Julia is still a mile ahead of Mr Rabbit in the preferred PM polls - so the country isn't completely insane...
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:15 pm
Did anyone see Bronwyn Bishop doing impersonations of Julia?

What a great look, a walking caricature making trying to caricature other people.

Self awareness: fail.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:35 pm
@hingehead,
Thank you so much for the Old report, hinge.
We're constantly hearing about how close the vote is likely to be, but get few details. All we get are photographs of Julia & Kevin, photographs of Julia & Latham ... Neutral

I must read up on Warren Entsch. I know the name but not much more. The Libs Consider him a winner, obviously.

Quote:
... there was at least one instance of Entsch suggesting that he had a better use for infrastructure (for a cultural precinct) funding that had recently been announced by the ALP, only to have Abbott announce that funding would go to Townsville (in Herbert, currently held by the Libs) rather than Cairns.


God I hate this sort of waste of public money during election campaigns! It really pisses me off! Grrrr. (I'm in a safe Labor seat. We get no tempting bribes at all during election campaigns, from either side. And get ignored the rest of the time! It's as if we're completely irrelevant.)

Quote:
I live in Queensland, but I don't consider myself in the Queenslander mind set.


Yeah, I 'd figured that! Yep, best to keep your head down I reckon! Wink

Quote:
I don't see people up in arms about Kevin Rudd's deposement. Surprise sure, but their hearts aren't full of revenge.


That interesting. The "southern" ( Wink ) media has given us quite the opposite impression.

Quote:

I predict that ALP will win Leichhardt, but only on green preferences.

Herbert is tougher because the green candidate is not directing his preferences anywhere.


Interesting. The influence of the Greens, I mean. Is this a newish trend in those seats?
In any case it sounds like Labor will be quite dependent of the Greens' support.

Quote:
What will be interesting is Kennedy - maybe enough people have moved there who realise Bob Katter is a complete knob.

Laughing

At last, at last! The penny drops! !!

Quote:

Speaking of Bob Nearly laughed my scrotum off when I saw his ad on TV:


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/hayseed-amigos-could-control-power-20100805-11im2.html?autostart=1

"Bob's on the job". Haha .Very funny!

Quote:
What will be interesting is Kennedy - ALP candidate is Jim Turnour's second cousin, but not really a chance, but the Lib/Nat candidate could beat Bob in primary vote, but then Labor prefs would get Bob in, likewise if labour beat Bob on primary the lib prefs would still get him in. ...


Now that sounds pretty complicated, hinge. These convoluted preference deals!

Another question, if that's OK. I don't know if you're in any position to answer it, but, anyway ... how much influence is Labor's "mining tax" likely to have on voters in the mining communities in Qld? Are any (I'm guessing unionists, previous Labor voters in those places) who are likely to vote Liberal in response to the tax? I keep coming across suggestions that this might be the case, but don't know if it's an accurate assessment or not.




msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:42 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Did anyone see Bronwyn Bishop doing impersonations of Julia?


Goodness me, no I didn't!
I would have loved to have seen it, though! Razz
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 07:50 pm
@dlowan,
Here you are, Deb!
Published 41 minutes ago!
Hot off the press!
And results from Newspoll ( Rupert's the Australian, no less!) Wink Smile :


Quote:
Labor edges ahead in poll race
Updated 41 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201007/r610209_4027281.jpg

The Federal Government is ahead of the Opposition in the latest opinion poll, but both parties are trying to claim underdog status.


The Newspoll, published in The Australian today, shows the ALP has edged ahead of the Coalition on a two-party preferred basis with 52 per cent of the vote.

The Coalition's two-party vote has slipped two points to 48 per cent. The same opinion poll this time last week had the two parties on a 50-50 split.


Julia Gillard has slipped one point in the preferred prime minister stakes but still leads Opposition Leader Tony Abbott 49 per cent to 34 per cent.


The number of people satisfied with the way Mr Abbott is doing his job dropped by three points to 41 per cent.

Labor's primary vote is up one point to 38 per cent while the Coalition has slumped two points to 42 per cent.

The Greens' share of the primary vote edged up one point to 13 per cent.


Mr Abbott has told Channel Nine the electorate is volatile and the Coalition are the underdogs.

"I've said all along that winning the election was going to be like climbing Mount Everest," he said.

"The polls will go up and down, but what won't change is the fact that we've got an absolutely incompetent Government right now."

Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen has told NewsRadio the election will go down to the wire.

"We are the underdogs, but what is clear also to us is ... people will be focusing more and more on Tony Abbott's lack of economic judgement, his lack of an economic plan," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/09/2976970.htm
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