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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 05:32 am
What's this? Surprised
He tried to return last year & was unsuccessful?
He was frustrated with Abbott's leadership?
I wonder if he'll have another go, now that Michael Kroger has vanished from the scene?
Disarray in the Libs' Victorian camp?
Interesting, very interesting ...

Quote:
Alleged Costello comeback sparks infighting
By Heather Ewart
Updated May 09, 2012 21:00:56/ABC News

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3892916-3x4-340x453.jpg
Peter Costello Photo: It is alleged Mr Costello demanded a young MP step aside. (AAP: Dean Lewins)

The ABC has learnt the Federal Coalition is being rocked by claims former treasurer Peter Costello made a bid to return to the political stage late last year.

The ABC's 7.30 program has found bitter factional in-fighting was triggered by the purported move by Mr Costello, who demanded a young MP step aside to accommodate him.


It is a claim Mr Costello steadfastly denies, but many of his former colleagues believe it, with Victorian MPs privately saying he has become bored and frustrated that Tony Abbott looks headed for the top job.

The dispute has laid bare the deep divisions in the Liberal Party’s Victorian branch, which threaten the Coalition at a time when it believes government is within its grasp. .... <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-09/liberal-ructions-emerge-over-costello/4001600
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 07:54 pm
@msolga,
Pyne puts the best possible spin on yesterday's story from the ABC.
Ha, I'll bet you anything that there were quite a few Liberal backbenchers who got quite excited at the prospect! And possibly even Pyne! Wink
But we shall see, we shall see .....

Quote:
Pyne slams door on Costello comeback claims
Updated May 10, 2012 11:36:40

Senior Liberals moved to close the door on the chance of a Peter Costello comeback this morning after the party was rocked by claims about the former treasurer's revived political ambitions. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-10/senior-liberals-close-door-on-costello-comeback-claims/4002444
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 08:08 pm
@msolga,
I don't know if any of you watched Tony Abbott's response to Swan's budget last week.
If not, you didn't miss much.
A lot of ranting & raving about how terrible the Labor government is, in every possible way ... & next to nothing about the budget (or the Liberal alternative), apart from to poo-poo it as "class warefare". Same old, same old boring, hack stuff. Neutral Rolling Eyes

In other words, a long, unpaid political LNP advertisement, with bugger-all substance.

Oh yes! He declared that that the Libs could "save $50 billion" in their budget (but didn't say how) ... & that Libs would introduce a language studies program to Oz schools (which Labor had already established, but the libs had stymied for the past 10 years ....

And that was it!
Incredible that anyone takes the Libs seriously, really.
But apparently they do, judging from the latest polls.
Go figure. Confused

Abbott's vow: I can save $50 billion:
http://www.theage.com.au/business/federal-budget/abbotts-vow-i-can-save-50-billion-20120510-1yfof.html?rand=6826143
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 08:12 pm
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/12/3290831/port-wilcox-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 08:14 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/11/3290123/mr-gallery-pope12_20120511220921679988-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 09:05 pm
Meanwhile, (opposition treasurer) Joe Hockey has been working overtime since this story appeared on the ABC's 7:30 Report:

Quote:
The ABC has learnt the Federal Coalition is being rocked by claims former treasurer Peter Costello made a bid to return to the political stage late last year.

Alleged Costello comeback sparks infighting:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-09/liberal-ructions-emerge-over-costello/4001600

Amongst other criticisms, Costello declared he was dissatisfied with Abbott's leadership (which is not at all surprising, really Wink ) ... I guess the suggestion being that he could do better?

In response to Costello's words, his (now) arch-enemy, Michael Kruger went public on two Melbourne radio stations (including the ABC), fiercely attacking Costello:

Quote:
Party Brawl

Former Liberal powerbroker Michael Kroger launches an intensely personal attack on former treasurer Peter Costello as tensions boil over within the Party.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-11/party-brawl/4006974?section=qld

.. which caused Joe Hockey to "verbal" Kruger after one of those interviews, at 3AW headquarters.
Apparently Kruger was told to shut up in so uncertain terms!
The exchange was seen & heard & duly reported.

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/12/3291084/Tandberg-Hockey-12-May-600x400.gif

So all it back to sweetness & light & unity in the LNP now.
They all agree (unanimously!) that Abbott is by far the best leader. Wink
No criticism of him will be breached!

And Hockey is working overtime to bury the story, swamping the media with more outraged Thomson stories. Like this one:

Opposition rubbishes Thomson's plot claims:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/opposition-rubbishes-thomsons-plot-claims-20120513-1ykez.html

Wasn't that interesting?
I have a wee hunch that reservations about Abbott - as likely a future PM (!)
Heaven help us! - may yet resurface.
We shall see.



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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 10:07 pm
Which leads us back to the constant (often very personal) attacks on the prime minister ... for whatever justification is useful ...

... like being a "liar" (after all of Howard's "core & non-core" promises, even! Surprised ), for having a big bum, for being "childless" ( so unlike the deputy Liberal leader, Julie Bishop, who is apparently merely child-free, which is different? Neutral ), for installing Peter Slipper ( unlike the Libs who put up with the man for 13 years (?), while apparently dubious about him the whole time? Whose casting vote Abbott accepted, without the slightest reservation, to become Liberal leader over Turnbull), for the Libs conveniently forgetting about using that rat bag , Mal Colston, for their own political purposes, for Labor having to count on Thomson's vote (as if the Libs wouldn't do exactly the same, the same boat?) ...

I believe this will be a very interesting period for future Australian historians to research & write about. Something to do with media collusion, the power of the media to form public opinion, by which-ever chosen means, repeated constantly by the many, to erode confidence in the government ...

So, even though I'm not a Labor voter these days (& I will certainly never be a LNP voter)
I can certainly see Leunig's point here. :

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/11/3287287/Leunig_cartoon-620x0.jpg
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 10:35 pm
@msolga,
Yep......I still don't get it, really. Ok, hate as usual....but what's the vitriol all about?


I think partly it was the way Rudd was ousted. Sigh.

I have been trying to resign myself to an Abbott government, because that's what's coming.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 11:37 pm
@dlowan,
Quote:
I think partly it was the way Rudd was ousted. Sigh

Sure. But the more I've learned about his "leadership style" (or total lack of), the more convinced I've become that it was best he go.
I became even more convinced following his determined undermining of Gillard's government, since. The constant flow of undermining leaks to the media, etc .... it seems his sole loyalty was to himself. Not the slightest concern about the harm he did to Labor's prospects during the last election campaign, either.

The problem was, of course, the way he was deposed.
It came as a sudden, total shock to everyone. Me included. I certainly wasn't expecting such a sudden change of leadership!
Labor could have handled that a lot better, I think.

But I believe that many of those who have made the most noise about being "betrayed" by Rudd's demotion would never vote Labor in a fit!
I've been constantly amused by Liberal politicians getting on their high horse about it. [iAs if[/i] they cared a fig! Wink

I was much more concerned & upset when Bill Hayden, a thoroughly decent, committed politician for years, was deposed by Bob Hawke, a relative outsider.
As Hayden said, "a drover's dog" would have won the next election.
In my opinion,Hayden had far more to gripe about than Rudd ever did.
But he had the grace & loyalty to the party not to pursue the issue so publicly.

I think, too, people forget that Rudd's "popularity" was due quite a bit to his being the alternative to Howard at the time. We wanted Howard gone! Remember, he even lost his own seat at that election. That's pretty unusual, to say the least, for a sitting prime minister!
I think Rudd (& quite a few media commentators, too) mistook his popularity as a purely personal Rudd endorsement. At the time of his deposement, he was nowhere near that popular. He was on the skids in the polls.

But then again, how loyal were the Liberals toward Brendan Nelson & Malcolm Turnbull, Howard's successors? Both of whom were far more intelligent, thoughtful & constructive Liberal leaders than Abbott could ever be!
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2012 12:01 am
@msolga,
I'm not defending Rudd. I agree with what you have said....but I do think it has helped to poison Julia's leadership.

msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2012 12:31 am
@dlowan,
Oh I know you weren't defending him, Deb.

It's just something I have a very big bee in my bonnet about! Wink

Quote:
but I do think it has helped to poison Julia's leadership.

I believe it has been used (as I said, often by sources who couldn't care less about Rudd ... or Labor) to undermine this minority Labor government's authority.
And repeated often enough (as it has been) it becomes the "truth" in (some of) the public's minds.
Like "Ju-LIAR" = "truth".

Imagine if the same media sources applied their efforts to seriously scrutinizing Abbott's credibility as next prime minister. Or at least make the effort to try & inform us about what the Libs actually have in store for us, with a change of government.
How difficult would that be to do?
To ask the relevant questions.
But they're not doing it. While faithfully reporting the very worst, real or "opinion" mostly, about this government. Quite a bit of which is quite dubious.
Why?
The media is choosing its targets.
And at the moment Abbott is not their target. They are not asking the relevant questions an alternative government should be asked right now.

Thank god for the ABC, for some balanced reporting, is all I can say!


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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2012 03:31 pm
@msolga,
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 08:37 am
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/15/3296743/MOR-moir-hockey_20120515092110196602-620x0.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 05:05 pm
@msolga,
One last word on Swan's budget.
Remember the budget? Wink
All but drowned out by the barrage of opposition outrage over Craig Thomson - very convenient timing!
(I think today's the day Thomson plans to explain all to parliament. Expect more fall-out.)

This article's Ross Gittins, one of the Age's senior economic journalists. I think he makes a lot of sense.:

Quote:
Spreading the love to buy votes? So what, it was about time
May 16, 2012/the AGE

Despite its critics, this budget is the most redistributive in years.

SO, HAS the budget led to an outbreak of class warfare? Only if Julia Gillard's a lot luckier than she's been so far. That is, I doubt it. What I don't doubt is that her disparaging remark about Sydney's North Shore was a calculated attempt to get a bit of class consciousness going to accompany her give-and-take budget.

But loyalty to parties on the basis of class is long gone. These days people's vote is as likely to be guided by the party divide on social issues as economic ones. Then there's the rise of the ''aspirational'' voter: people who don't mind seeing the better-off favoured by the government because they hope to be better off themselves one day.

If the public's reaction to this budget is any guide, we have either all become aspirationals or, more likely, a lot of people don't know which side their bread is buttered on. Wayne Swan brings down a Robin Hood budget and, according to last week's Age poll, 43 per cent of respondents think it will leave them personally worse off and only 27 per cent expect to be better off. Talk about living in a fog.

Be in no doubt: this budget is the most highly redistributive in years. Whether out of desire to awaken class loyalties, to soften the blow of the carbon tax, or just to buy votes, it gives quite a bit of money to low and middle-income families. The discretionary rise in the means-tested family benefit, to take effect from July next year, is well targeted to families in greater need.

The schoolchildren's bonus, the first payment of which will be made within a few weeks, goes only to parents eligible for the family benefit. It's a big improvement on the education tax refund, which mainly benefited those parents able to spend big on eligible equipment and savvy enough to keep receipts and make the claim.

The new income-support supplement, to take effect next March, will give people on the dole a princely 57¢ a week extra, reducing by a sliver the extent to which we require them to subsist below the poverty line. It is, nevertheless, the first real increase in the dole for more than 20 years.

The budget plans increased spending on dental health for the needy and a start to the National Disability Insurance Scheme in July next year.

But though these measures are welcome, they hardly represent the big increase in welfare their critics claim.

According to the calculations of Professor Peter Whiteford, of the University of New South Wales, their cost of $8 billion over four years represents an increase of less than 1 per cent of total budget spending on health and social security.

Helping to pay for these increases are cuts aimed squarely at the better-off. The top 1 per cent of taxpayers, earning more than $300,000 a year, will have the tax break on their superannuation contributions cut from 31.5¢ in the dollar to 16.5¢.

The provision allowing workers over 50 to make low-taxed super contributions up to $50,000 a year will be cut to $25,000 from July. Those with super balances under $500,000 were to have been given an exemption from the cut, but this has been deferred for two years, thus largely closing the salary sacrifice loophole. Despite the hard-luck stories we're hearing, workers on less than high incomes can't afford to sacrifice salary in this way.

The capped 50 per cent discount on the tax on interest income, which now won't happen, would have benefited the better-off, as does the tax offset on net medical expenses, which is to be virtually eliminated.

Almost everyone - whether on the right or the left - automatically assumes company tax is a tax on the rich. So, those excitable souls claiming the budget was a plan to ''smash the rich'', list as Exhibit A the decision not to cut the rate of company tax by 1 per cent, as had been promised.

But Australian shareholders - including Australian super funds - get tax credits for the company tax paid on their behalf. And tax economists argue that, in the end, the burden of company tax is borne mainly by wage-earners.

So it's not at all clear to me that company tax is a tax on business or on the rich. Business was never terribly enthusiastic about the 1 per cent cut; I'm unimpressed by the bitter tears it's shedding now.

When you combine this Robin Hood budget with the way the tax cuts linked to the carbon tax are limited to individuals earning less than $80,000, with the way the temporary flood levy was aimed at the better-off, with the various previous measures to reduce upper-middle class welfare and with the 2009 discretionary increase in the age pension, you do have to conclude this Labor government, particularly under Julia Gillard, is very redistributive - though its record isn't unblemished.

And unless you're happy to see the gap between rich and poor widening - as it has been - that redistribution is not unwarranted.

According to figures from the Bureau of Statistics, between 2003-04 and 2009-10, average household disposable income rose by 26 per cent in real terms. But the income of the bottom fifth of households rose by 17 per cent, whereas the income of the top fifth rose by 32 per cent.

Remember that the next time you hear highly paid business people banging on about the budget being ''more about how we carve the pie, rather than how we grow the pie''. It was about time.


Ross Gittins is a senior columnist.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/spreading-the-love-to-buy-votes-so-what-it-was-about-time-20120515-1youa.html
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 05:13 pm
@msolga,
Thanks...that's interesting.

I am pleased I actually earn little enough to getnsome compensation for carbon tax.

Although I support it, I am having so much trouble managing financially that I was scared about how much worse it was going to get.

I don't know how exactly people will be compensated, though?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 05:16 pm
... & speaking of the Lib's moral outrage over Thomson & Slipper, what are they going to do about Senator Heffernan?

Let's see how highly principled they are when it comes to one of their own.

Quote:
Calls to sack Heffernan over homophobe claims
May 20, 2012 - 2:52 pm/the AGE

A federal government frontbencher says Opposition Leader Tony Abbott must sack controversial senator Bill Heffernan from the Liberal Party or be exposed as having double standards when it comes to parliamentary conduct.

Senator Heffernan has been accused of hitting and making homophobic remarks to a senior Liberal staffer at a branch meeting on the NSW Central Coast.


"Under the principles the Labor government has supported and continues to support Senator Heffernan is entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence," senior minister Craig Emerson said.

But Dr Emerson said if Mr Abbott applied his own principles he'd "refuse to accept Senator Heffernan's tainted vote, he will stand him down from chairing the relevant Senate committee and he will move to dismiss Senator Heffernan from the Liberal Party".

Labor sought consistency when it came to due process and the presumption of innocence but "Mr Abbott seeks to have one principle for the Liberal Party and one principle for the rest of Australia", the minister said.

Mr Abbott has repeatedly attacked Prime Minister Julia Gillard for relying on the "tainted" vote of suspended Labor MP Craig Thomson, who the workplace watchdog says misused almost $500,000 in members' funds when he was in charge of the Health Services Union.

The opposition has also criticised Labor for elevating former Liberal MP Peter Slipper to the position of Speaker ....<cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/national/calls-to-sack-heffernan-over-homophobe-claims-20120520-1yyme.html

Quote:
Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan has been accused of attacking a suspended electorate officer at a branch meeting on the New South Wales central coast.

Liberal Senator Heffernan accused of assault:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-20/liberal-senator-heffernan-accused-of-assault/4021904
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 05:58 pm
@dlowan,
Morning, Deb.

I'm hoping this might help? ( the calculator, I mean ... it's an "indicative" guide. I haven't had the chance to check it out myself, yet.)

Quote:
The Carbon Tax cometh: Will you be compensated?
By Brett Williamson

Around 130,000 South Australian families are expected to receive compensation amounts in their bank accounts over the next few weeks as part of the Federal Government's Clean Energy Advance benefits and Household Assistance packages, but will your family be one of them?


Use the Clean Energy Future calculator to see if you will receive compensation for the July 1 Carbon Tax implementation ..... <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/05/16/3503909.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 06:25 pm
@msolga,
Still on the budget & the opposition's response (or non-response) to it.

This is an extract from an article in today's AGE.
I think the writer makes a very valid point.
The Coalition's budgetary position requires a lot more scrutiny from voters (say nothing of the media!! Rolling Eyes ).

How can the Libs possibly keep all their promises to the electorate & deliver a surplus, while at the same time cutting income taxes & axing the mining tax?
... & at the same time honour the commitment to support Labor's National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS)?

Details, we need a lot more details prior to the next election!

Quote:
..... Tony Abbott, meanwhile, got blasted for saying nothing meaningful during the budget period - which was mostly but not completely true.

Joe Hockey furrowed his brow and critiqued the government like a good soldier - but his most cut-through observation was about the Coalition.

Hockey implied something startling in a speech last Wednesday: the opposition was in danger of over-promising and under-delivering. It's obvious really, given the Coalition faces the truly mind-bending tasks of axing the mining and carbon taxes, providing income tax cuts, funding a paid parental leave scheme, and coming up with billions and billions in savings. But to my knowledge, no one had really gone there before.

To my ear, Hockey's remarks were a reflection on this period in politics. We can't be slippery or break promises, he was saying. Not after this 43rd Parliament, not after nailing Labor to the carbon-tax cross. Truth is, we may not be able to afford Labor's National Disability Insurance Scheme, even if my boss is out implying we are fully on board. You, voters, need to look at this more closely.

We journalists tend to construe these things in crude terms - as splits. But it wasn't really, not a clean break. Hockey was saying we, the Coalition, are on board with the NDIS, this great and long overdue idea - but only if we can fund it. .....


Team Abbott embraces Asia:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/team-abbott-embraces-asia-20120520-1yyt3.html
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 07:40 pm
@msolga,
Whoopy dee do.

As near nothing as makes no difference.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2012 07:42 pm
@dlowan,
Ah well .... sorry to hear that, Deb.

It'll make quite a difference to me, though. (being a poor person. Wink )
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