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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 06:22 am
@hingehead,
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...it isn't much different to the Costello/Howard speculation. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's Kevin's camp feeding it hoping for pressure from the public to support a challenge. Wrong tree barking.

No, not much different. I agree.
The only obvious difference to me is the response of the political commentators.
Absolutely relentless, braying for blood.
Take Michelle Grattan, for example. Usually fairly level-headed in her commentary. It has been amazing to read negative anti-Gillard story after story coming from her. I've actually been quite shocked. A caller asked Barrie Cassidy (interviewed by Jon Faine on local ABC radio this week) why, exactly, she has it in for Julia Gillard? What had Julia Gillard done to her? Wink
Jon Faine said he'd received similar comments from other listeners.
Today was the first half-fair article on the subject I have seen from her in a long time.

I agree with you, if it is largely the pro-Rudd camp which is fueling this non-stop speculation it is totally misguided & counterproductive. Playing right into LNP hands. I will never forgive them (& Kevin Rudd) if we end up with the unthinkable ... an Abbott-led government, as a result.

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The biggest hope the ALP has of surviving the next election is a combination of economic getting by and Tony Abbott remaining leader.

And capitalizing on its sound economic management with the electorate. If Labor ever gets the chance to, amid the media hysterics!
As for Abbott as a potential prime minister.... what can you say?
I'm just speechless & gob-smacked at the thought.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 06:37 am
@hingehead,
Yes.
That fact is, by far the largest number of asylum seekers flee danger and/or persecution by escaping to "next door" countries .... like Yemen & Pakistan. Countries which are much poorer than less able to support them than we are.
Our numbers are minuscule compared to such countries.
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Bootlace
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 12:43 pm
A voter tells Tony Abbott how it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUh4pC-MUo

Keating on Abbott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g

Fraser on Abbott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L66KhP0jYg&feature=related

Seems to be a pattern here ....................
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 05:59 pm
A very interesting & informative piece, published a couple of days ago, written by Barrie Cassidy, from the ABC's discussion section.

A very nice change from the hysterical drivel we've been subjected to in the mainstream press for months now! My respect for Barrie Cassidy has just gone up quite a few notches. This is the closest to a candid "telling it as it is", warts & all, that I've seen so far.

He argues (amongst other things) that if this Labor government is to survive , then it's time to put the issue of leadership to a party room vote. That the ongoing speculation is doing the government serious damage in the community & it needs to be arrested once & for all.

He also argues (very interestingly, I think) that journalistic ethics ( not revealing their sources of information) are protecting Kevin Rudd ... who is not exactly being truthful (!) about campaigning for the leadership. To put it politely. If journalists chose to "out" Costello when he was publicly "flexible" with the truth about his intentions to challenge Howard in 2007, then why not do the same with Kevin Rudd now? What's the difference between now & then? Since when are "journalistic ethics" intended to protect a politician who is saying one thing publicly & doing another behind the scenes? Which our our political commentators well know. Excellent point.

And if he his correct about Rudd's support-base in the government being between 20 to 30 parliamentarians (from a caucus of 103!)... then a very small number are driving these destructive speculations .... perhaps some of our political journalists might consider the possibility that they are being used, as part of the Rudd campaign, by religiously "reporting" every single un-sourced rumour which is fed to them? Perhaps our journalists might even consider that they (deliberately or inadvertently) have become part of Rudd's PR team by giving so much credence to their unnamed "sources"?

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Leadership tussle: Rudd circles, Gillard stumbles
By ABC's Barrie Cassidy
Posted February 17, 2012 08:05:27


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3552838-3x2-340x227.jpg
Julia Gillard kisses Kevin Rudd (AAP: Alan Porritt) Photo: Gillard needs to lift her primary vote. She can't do that while Rudd continues to circle. (AAP: Alan Porritt)

The pressure must surely be building on Prime Minister Julia Gillard to call a party room ballot and try and stop in its tracks Kevin Rudd's undeclared run for the leadership.

Rudd's numbers now are modest; perhaps a support base of 20 and sometimes approaching 30 depending on the mood of the day. That's from a caucus of 103.

But as every day goes by, the chances are he will build on that support.

This week was a case in point. Julia Gillard had one of her worst weeks in politics because essentially trivial matters were badly handled. (on the Four Corners program) The damage was significant because it went to the most vulnerable aspects of her leadership – credibility and trust.

It is of no consequence that somebody in her office was preparing a speech in the event that she might win a leadership ballot. It would or should have been obvious to all those around her that that was at least a possibility and it would be prudent to start preparing for it. That she remembered little of it is also unsurprising. She would have been pre-occupied with issues like, should I challenge and will I have the numbers?

Equally unremarkable was the showing of polling unfavourable to Rudd to colleagues. Why wouldn't she? For days, she had been urged by key people to mount a challenge. Surely, armed with relevant material, she would seek to sound out colleagues.

For goodness sake. In the mid-90s, Liberals disenchanted with John Hewson's leadership, showed polling to Kerry O'Brien. And he was never a Liberal MP.

All Gillard ever said was that she hadn't made up her mind to finally take the plunge until the day itself. There is nothing in the preparation of a speech or the showing off of polling that is inconsistent with that.

But such straight forward and candid explanations were beyond the Prime Minister. By agreeing to a long pre-recorded interview with Four Corners, she allowed herself to be ambushed. She had no time to prepare. In the end she looked shifty and unconvincing.

Her colleagues were gobsmacked. It set back her cause.

She can be thankful there is no mood for change across the broader caucus or in the state branches. No mood for change to Rudd, and no mood – yet – for a change to a third candidate, though all that may change if the issue is allowed to drift.

And that mood could start to change as early as next week.

It's a non-sitting week and Kevin Rudd has a golden opportunity to declare: "I'm from Queensland, and I'm here to help," as he travels the state drawing crowds and seemingly doing all he can for Labor in the state election.

The speculation that is killing Gillard and the Government will go on no matter what. Nothing else is breaking through. Gillard needs to lift her primary vote. She can't do that while Rudd continues to circle. She needs to act, and sooner rather than later.


The Government is finished if it can't use the May budget and then the tax cuts and pension rises in June to start rebuilding its stocks. If the leadership issue is not dealt with before then, both the May and June exercises will be futile.

The alternative argument is that such a pre-emptive move would be interpreted in parts of the media as a recognition on Gillard's part that the challenge is real and her leadership is threatened. Well knock me down with a feather.

Rudd is campaigning. Rudd is talking to journalists about the leadership despite his astonishing denial.

I know the names of some of those he has spoken to. I know where he said it – in his office – on a parliamentary sitting day – and I know what he said. He told them a challenge would happen; he told them he was prepared to lose the first ballot and go to the backbench; and in one conversation he laughed about the prospect of Gillard stumbling again.

Yet the Foreign Minister has categorically denied ever having spoken to any journalist about the leadership.

He can deny the approaches only because he believes the journalists involved are bound to both protect their sources and to treat such conversations as confidential. He is protected by the cloak of journalistic ethics.

But when does this become as important or more so than the briefing former treasurer Peter Costello gave journalists at Canberra's Waters Edge Restaurant, on March 5, 2005?


Costello – according to one of the journalists present – the ABC's Michael Brissenden – told them over dinner that he had set a deadline of April the following year for John Howard to retire, or else he would destroy his leadership by launching a challenge.

He told them if the coup failed, he would move to the backbench to "carp" and build numbers for a second challenge.

It is fascinating in retrospect to revisit what the journalists said at the time.

Brissenden said the three journalists left the dinner with the understanding that the story could be reported as background.

But the next day they received frantic phone calls from Costello's staff pleading that the conversation be treated as off the record.

They went along with that, but two years later, had a change of mind. They went on the record and outed Costello because they argued, "The strength of Mr Costello's denials today (April 14, 2007) go to matters of credibility for the man who still holds hopes of one day leading the nation." Indeed.

Barrie Cassidy is the presenter of ABC programs Insiders and Offsiders.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-17/cassidy-leadership-tussle/3834486

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 06:25 pm
@msolga,
In case anyone reading my comments above might be thinking that I'm some rabid Julia Gillard/Labor supporter, that is not quite the case. Wink
I've actually voted for the Greens for quite a few years now.
But I feel quite incensed at the sort of unfair treatment that this Labor government has received at the hands of the mainstream media & the shock jocks in the guise of commentary.
In the meantime, amid all this hysteria, the Abbott-led opposition has conveniently escaped any real scrutiny of it's policies, what a LNP might actually do if in government .... and no doubt they've been rubbing their hands with glee at all the free kicks they've received as a result. I don't believe such scrutiny would be exactly beneficial to the Libs' cause at all.
I just wish, as I've said again & again, our political commentators & news reporters would do their job properly. Neutral


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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 07:16 pm
@msolga,
They do on the radio I, and, I suspect, you, listen to. But even there the whole thing is taking up way too much time.

What's odd is that the country is humming along quite nicely, even if only because of our minerals and Gillard is getting important legislation through.

Yes, she's broken promises, but how DARE the Libs complain about THAT!
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 07:33 pm
@dlowan,
Indeed.
Remember Howard's "core" & "non-core" promises?

(Say nothing of not even bothering to consult the parliament before involving the country in the Iraq invasion, which an overwhelming number of us didn't want ..... Neutral )

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Bootlace
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 09:51 pm
@hingehead,
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@Bootlace,
These kids really should have applied through channels, right Bootlace?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/29/out-afghanistan-boys-stories-europe
My point (and Deb's if I may be so bold) is that once they get here we have international legal obligations in dealing with them. You should thank your god that you don't live in Spain - they get 25,000 a year. Your head would explode. They are infinitely more compassionate than Australian shock jocks and joe public panickers.


Spain is not taking as many as you think
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Spain and immigration
Bad new days
Recession is testing Spanish tolerance of high immigration
Feb 4th 2010 | MADRID | from the print edition

IT WAS a familiar cry against immigration. There is just not room for everyone, proclaimed Alicia Sánchez-Camacho, leader of the People’s Party (PP) in Catalonia, where an election is due later this year. Her complaint has come a bit late. Spain’s decade-long surge of immigrants has already come to a dramatic halt. The number of foreigners of working age began to fall in the second half of 2009. Recession has proved far more effective than policy at stemming the flow. A country in which unemployment has just gone over 4m and is heading towards a 20% rate is a poor bet for migrants. Indeed, the job outlook makes further falls in immigrant numbers likely.
http://www.economist.com/node/15464909


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Have you ever wondered why it's only a couple of thousand a year? Given that Australia is so wonderful and their lives are so ****? It's because it's fricking dangerous and you have to be desparate to even attempt it.
And guess what - some who get here through proper channels find out what a pack of racist arseholes we are and return to their homelands. A Sudanese taxi driver in Darwin explained that his brother had returned home because of our intolerance. The taxi driver had stayed because of his kids, who he thought might have a chance at better life than he. I wish I had his confidence, I've seen what dark skin can mean in God's own.


Well you can use all the emotive issues you like, but none of you have stepped up to the plate and
said what the government should be doing. I can therefore only assume that if you come by
boat and because it is Quote “ fricking (sic) dangerous and you have to be desparate (sic)to attempt it” end quote,
you should be welcomed with open arms, and no question of identity required.

I think very few people are against GENUINE asylum seekers, but when they destroy any means
of identity and scuttle their boats on arrival, it really stretches people's generosity and tolerance.

hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2012 10:55 pm
@Bootlace,
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Spain is not taking as many as you think

You're not big on detail are you bootlace?
Did you read your article? (A 2 year old article at that)
The Economist wrote:
As many as 2.5m immigrants have arrived in Spain since he took office in 2004.

You do the math and compare it to Australia's burden.

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Well you can use all the emotive issues you like, but none of you have stepped up to the plate and
said what the government should be doing.


You're not reading - or not comprehending.

I have said exactly what I think the government should be doing - living up to our international legal obligatons to whoever arrives here and applies for asylum. I don't think any more needs to be done and am aghast at the hot air, print space and money flushed down the toilet because people like you think we are being invaded by 3 or 4 thousand people a year. And you call me emotive?

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61asylum.htm
Bootlace
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2012 02:40 am
@hingehead,
You are the one that's not reading or comprehending.
The masses of people stuck in our detention centres is because they
lack proof of identity.

Why? Because they have destroyed their passports and papers.
Why ? Because I suspect a lot of then are not genuine refugees.

So does "living up to our international legal obligations" mean
carte blanche to all who turn up on our doorstep ?

You are also being inventive. I have never said or suggested we were being invaded,
but I do suggest that we should be in control of who comes here.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2012 05:28 am
@Bootlace,
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Why? Because they have destroyed their passports and papers.
Why ? Because I suspect a lot of then are not genuine refugees.


Suspect, not know and with your clear agenda what a surprise that you'd believe what supports your biases. How many Australians have passports? Lots but not all - and we'd probably be the most passported nation on Earth - even the US runs under 50%. http://blog.cgpgrey.com/how-many-americans-have-a-passport-the-percentages-state-by-state/
Hey - if you had to cross borders and escape your own country that was persecuting you for what ever reason - would you carry a passport to make your persecutors job easier to figure out who you were? And tell me who you'd apply to get a passport in Somalia, or in Afghanistan under Taliban rule - or in a region under warlord rule?

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So does "living up to our international legal obligations" mean
carte blanche to all who turn up on our doorstep ?

Of course it doesn't - it means assessing on a case by case basis. In a vaguely humanitarian way. I 'suspect' you could live with that.

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You are also being inventive. I have never said or suggested we were being invaded,
but I do suggest that we should be in control of who comes here.


But according to international law we aren't in control - all we get to do is assess the validity of applications. You seem bright enough, wouldn't your time be better spent on something that might improve the lives of ordinary Australians? You've been sucked into lowest common denominator fearmongering. You have every right to be angry at those who dupe you.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2012 08:19 pm
Great tweet from my one time acquaintance and now Canberra Times political cartoonist, David Pope.

Why are the cartoonists wrestling with #Gonski while the journos doodle about leadership? SOMETHING IS WRONG.
fobvius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2012 09:28 pm
@hingehead,
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/02/20/3058081/120221ct-jpg-600x400.jpg

Only the picaresque can save us from the alternative excuse for government.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2012 01:40 am
Aussie democracy: dumbed down and sold out
21 February 2012
Written by Leslie Cannold
Source
Leslie Cannold spells out what’s rotten in the state of Australian democracy, and the media wears some of the blame.

It’s become common to mourn the decline of “civility” in public debate. This follows a long period of anxiety about “values” and disgruntlement about “spin”, and – if I’m reading the tea leaves right – it will soon give way to sustained fretting about the “debasement” or “hyperpolarisation” of Australia’s political debate, or what our prime minister recently called the “Americanisation” of Australian politics.

I don’t think we’ve quite put our finger on the precise nature of the problem yet – something I’m going to try to do here. But we are not jumping at shadows. There is something rotten in the state of Australian democracy, something we have good reason to worry about.

What is at stake is far more momentous than a decline in the rules of etiquette or politesse, but goes to an erosion of critical ground rules that have long governed public debate and policy development in this country. Many such rules find their genesis in those enlightenment values of fairness, balance, reason, evidence, transparency, accountability and the most important of all, the public interest.

The result has been a mushrooming of lawlessness in the way corporate Australia and Australian political leaders conduct themselves. The rationale for such lawlessness seems to be that anything goes as long as it delivers the desired end, no matter how base, unworthy, despicable or contrary to the public interest that end might be. And the media is mostly going along for the ride.

It’s just not cricket.

The Australian media is implicated in the story of democratic decline. In part, this is because our economic and democratic institutions – among them the Fourth Estate – are so interconnected that unchecked rule breaking from one corner (especially if it puts you in a better position than those who follow the rules) will result in a retaliatory frenzy. The result is a race to the bottom because – let’s face it – no-one likes to feel like a chump in room full of prospering cheaters.

But while the media is part of the problem, it is certainly not the only democratic institution to blame. Indeed, it was Australia’s political class – and not the media – who took the first step on the slippery slope toward our democracy’s decline. It was they who, early in the 1990s, started tinkering with the process by which public policy is created.

In the 1980s, according to Crikey’s Bernard Keane, this process was very traditional:
Policy was the purview of senior officials and ministers (who usually had only limited personal staff) and was not contested. Key institutions like Treasury were unchallenged except by politicians themselves (think John Stone being overruled on floating the dollar). Opinion polling was rare. There were no private sector economic consultancies producing their own Budget forecasts, conducting economic modelling, constantly demanding media attention or claiming to be superior to Treasury.

But by the early 1990s, says the Australian Financial Review’s Laura Tingle, the policy-making process started to take a different approach to vested interests. Instead of being seen as “rent-seekers”, corporates came to be seen as “stakeholders”. Policy interventions proposed by corporate Australia started being judged not by whether they served the public interest or were supported by evidence, but by how they could be sold to voters. Tingle writes:
A lobbyist with long links to the Coalition observed to me that, in the Hawke/Keating days, you had to come to see ministers armed with microeconomic modelling to back your case… In the Howard era you had to come armed with focus group polling and research. It doesn’t mean the Howard government didn’t engage in significant reform, but the way it was measured had started to be seen in a different light.

Big business responded to the new lie of the land with alacrity. A new class of public policy professionals emerged, including lobbyists, spin doctors and public relations experts. Where lobbyists failed, public advertising campaigns of the sort used by the mining industry to defeat Rudd’s Resource Super Profits Tax (RSPT) added to the exclusive influence arsenal – one available only to the rich, well-connected or famous.

This is part of the “democracy for sale” problem recently condemned by the Occupy Movement, and long decried by authors such as Inside Spin’s Bob Burton and academics such as Joo-Cheong Tham. As Tham, the author of Money and Politics: The democracy we can’t afford (UNSW Press, $49.95) told ABC Radio’s Eleanor Hall:
Imagine if the homeless could, like the mining companies, issue the government an ultimatum – a deadline of a fortnight to reach a deal on public housing… with a threat to resume the ads if a deal is not reached… Those situations [are] so far from our political imagination… [They] speak volumes as to how we have normalised quite undemocratic practices.

Arguably, corporate Australian should not be condemned for its single-minded pursuit of its own economic interests. “It is what it is” as the saying goes. However, big business can certainly be taken to task for the range of purposefully opaque third-party endorsements and other influence strategies used to sway public opinion and decision-makers towards its preferred policy positions.

Such strategies include the creation, support and financing of “front” groups (such as Timber Communities Australia and the tobacco-funded Alliance of Australian Retailers) and “think tanks” (like the Institute of Public Affairs, The Sydney Institute and the Centre for Independent Studies) that get the corporate message coming out of what appear to be independent, even quasi-academic, mouths.

Corporates also finance “research” and “independent modelling” (of the sort provided by Deloitte Access Economics among others) that says – and here I’m paraphrasing Keane – what they require to bolster their case.
The Fourth Estate, exercising its key role as defender of the public’s right to know, could have contested these new paradigms and exposed third-party influence techniques. Instead, and for a range of complex reasons, it has largely gone along for the ride.

The result is a news media congested with public relations material (Australian academic Jim Macnamara published a study in 2009 that found as much as 80 per cent of media content is derived from public relations material), and which regularly presents vested corporate interests or their paid mouthpieces as credible opinion-makers and public policy “experts”.

As well, analysis of the doing of politics, rather than of the substantive issues, is rife. On his recent trip to Melbourne, New York media academic Jay Rosen pointed to ABC TV’s Insiders as evidence of much that is rotten with Australian political coverage: “Promoting journalists as insiders in front of the outsiders, the viewers, the electorate, [shows] journalists are identifying with the wrong people.”

Most potently, we see a media happy to buy in to a definition of political leadership that not only disregards the public interest, but laughs in its face. Here’s Crikey! on its decision to anoint Tony Abbott the 2011 Politician of the Year:
“He has massively increased his party’s primary vote in the space of 12 months…[and] aggressively and effectively exploited voters’ perception that the prime minister misled them on a carbon price… He’s done it while shielding his own lack of a credible policy on virtually any issue you care to name. Abbott's own positions on any number of issues are all over the place – he's somehow able to hold virtually every position it is possible to hold on many issues. He has wrecked the Coalition's economic credentials… His fiscal strategy is completely incomprehensible… But Abbott is able to evade scrutiny on these weaknesses…”

The result of all this, says veteran political reporter Laurie Oakes, is that political journalists have lost both public trust and respect, calling into question their capacity to serve in the Fourth Estate role essential for a functioning democracy:
Those of us involved in journalism…[have] a big problem… it's been there for quite a while, slowly getting worse. I'm talking about a declining trust in what we do and the way we do it… I [recently] took heart from the fact that… the News of the World scandal was exposed largely as a result of brilliant investigative journalism by The Guardian's Nick Davies. So I read his book, Flat Earth News, only to find he'd written there: "I work in a corrupted profession.”

We are worried about our democracy for good reason. Lawlessness leads to more lawlessness, and the upholding of procedures and values such as transparency, reason, evidence and the public interest have been keys to the success of Australian democracy so far.

But we shouldn’t despair. This is not an omelette that can’t be unscrambled. Politicians – and the bureaucrats who serve them – could start turning things around tomorrow by returning to a policy creation process that puts the public interest first.

But this must be part of a much broader cultural about-face on what Tham says is the prevailing “sanguine acceptance of corrupt and unethical practices that undermine the public interest” in Canberra.

Among his key recommendations for change are regulatory interventions that ensure transparency about who is lobbying and being lobbied. These would help prevent corruption and misconduct and guard against unfair access and influence by the rich, famous or politically well connected. This would include enforcing employment restrictions on recently departed former parliamentarians and senior government employees.

Former MP Lindsay Tanner’s claim that Australian politicians cannot be blamed for “surrendering” to the “sideshow” demands of the Australian media is false. Australia’s elected officials are amongst the most powerful folk in the land – that’s why so much effort goes into influencing them. If they wanted to, they could institute tomorrow a political culture and corresponding legislative landscape that mitigates against forces corrosive of a healthy representative democracy. They should be held accountable for every moment they fail to act. They are the decision-makers – it’s time they started acting like it.

The media also has an important role to play. Political reporters must stop collaborating in the erroneous characterisation of sectional interests as authoritative spokespeople on what constitutes the public interest. The sophisticated third-party endorsement strategies that big money uses to make its message credible rely entirely on a supine media for their success. The moment we know that the Institute of Public Affairs is funded to be a mouthpiece for big business, or that “eminent” climate change deniers are funded by fossil fuel interests, the power of the endorsement falls away.
As US commentators such as Naomi Oreskes and Kerry Trueman have noted, the absence of transparency in the past has seen a decades-long campaign to mislead us about profitable but problematic substances from tobacco to DDT to fossil fuels.

The media can and should do better not because such a turnaround will stop big corporations from seeking influence to shape the world according to their interests, but because it will stop them being so successful.
We’re on the road to hell together on this one. The only way back to a healthy democracy is for all the key players – business, political decision-makers and the media – to take a collective step back.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2012 01:26 am
@hingehead,
So....Rudd has resigned from cabinet.

Sounds like game on.

I think he was a pretty lousy PM and I can't see that he'd be better redux.

Sigh...what a shemozzle. And resigning in NYC! NOT happy, Kev.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2012 02:43 pm
Live blog: Labor leadership struggleLive blog:

Updated February 23, 2012 07:35:19/ABC NEWS


Prime Minister Julia Gillard will today call a ballot to resolve the Labor leadership stoush with her predecessor Kevin Rudd, after his sudden resignation as Foreign Minister. Follow updates as they happen using our live blog.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-23/live-blog-labor-leadership-struggle/3846500
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2012 03:43 pm
Watched Rudd's resignation speech. The ego has landed.

Riven with self contradictions - the talk of faceless coming out publicly (WTF? they came out publicly without faces?) - whereas his faceless men have been destabilising the ALP since prior to the 2010 election. Saying Julia didn't come out in my support after Crean attacked therefore I assume she has no confidence in me so I'm resigning. - Heaven forbid I should actually call and confirm that.

You may ask yourself why the overseas venue - on ABC24 it was suggested because he was about to be sacked by JG so it was pre-emptive.

He'll lose the first ballot but everyone knows his plan is a two ballot throne reclaim. Barrie Cassidy suggested that a last senior minister can come out and say what they know about Rudd's destabilisation campaign - Swann has already started. It will be a messy bloodletting.

Like everyone I'm over it - surprised that such a smart guy can be so deluded. To regain the leadership the ALP will have to be so damaged that no-one could lead them to a win in 2013.

And having Bruce Hawker as your local spokesman? Please, give me a break, you're buying friends?

PS how come every 'man in the street' grab of Rudd support comes from seemingly 'less worldly' people.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2012 04:00 pm
@hingehead,
Throwing a tanty on the job in the way he did clinches it for me.

No thought for his position and the duties he was being paid handsomely to perform or his country or party.

The ego has landed indeed. And, as you said, the faceful faceless men!

Surely he knows the history of that phrase and how it was used for decades by conservatives against the ALP?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2012 05:49 am
Just as well I missed most of the media coverage of Labor's leadership "troubles" in the media today. Might well have lost my marbles in the process. Is anyone talking about anything else?

Anyway, a few quick comments :

What a pathetic excuse ("faceless men" & "disloyalty 'from the pm) to quit his (foreign minister) position in the middle important Foreign Ministers meetings abroad. He left because it was to his advantage to be in Australia as the leadership issue was coming to a head. Simple (& irresponsible) as that.

And what "faceless men"? Last time I looked, Simon Crean, Wayne Swan, Bill Shortern, Nicola Roxon, Stephen Conroy, Peter Garrett, etc, etc, etc .. all had faces. What is he talking about?

He seriously expected the pm to show loyalty & defend him (after Crean's comments) after the destructive shenanigans of Team Rudd, for months now? Oh come on!

And as for his "good friend, Anna Bligh"... I'm sure she's absolutely delighted to be fighting a very difficult state election in which he, as a fellow Queenslander, would be expected to offer strong support, surely? What impeccable timing to further destabilize the ALP's standing in the community.

Rudd as Messiah: according to Rudd & his supporters he is the only ALP leader who can win an election against Abbott & the LNP? Oh really?
If Team Rudd hadn't spent so much time creating distractions from Gillard/Labor's real achievements (in extremely difficult circumstances) by their undermining antics, Labor would not be in such dire circumstances at the moment. They have handed Abbott & co free kick after free kick.

"People power": Therese Rein, Jessica Rudd & Rudd himself, calling on "ordinary people" to contact their sitting members & senators to encourage them to vote for Kevin as ALP leader. Extraordinary. Can you imagine Malcolm Turnbull's wife, or any Liberal Party parliamentarian's family attempting to interfere with internal party matters in this way? And be given credibility by the media in the process? Do the Rudds know anything at all about Australian political processes? We vote for our own local members. It is each party which elects it's leader in parliament.

Anyway, anyway .... excuse my ranting. But I'm exasperated.
It would be wonderful if this mess could be resolved on Monday, but ....
Apparently if this Rudd challenge is unsuccessful (if it actually happens. What if they can't muster the necessary numbers? ) , then plan B could well be on the cards, later ... followed maybe by C, D, & E.

Sigh.



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Timely article from former AGE editor, Michael Gawenda.

He argues - quite correctly, I believe - that as a result of "the rules of engagement in Canberra" there are political journalists who are retailing "lies" to their readers.

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It's time to let the facts get in the way of the story
Michael Gawenda
23 February 2012/unleashed/ABC News


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When I was editor of The Age, there was a political figure who was a great leaker.

He had a couple of journalists on the paper he leaked to regularly. He leaked on big and small issues, from what amounted to gossip to full-on character assassination. Strangely, about opponents and supporters alike.

Why supporters you might ask? I don't know. His agenda was often so opaque that there were times when I thought even he had no idea about what he was doing and why.

But here's the thing: not only did he leak only when guaranteed anonymity, but he would then insist that the reporter quote him on the record saying he knew nothing, about any of this leaked information and at times, for instance, he would go as far as saying the rumours - his anonymous rumours - were ridiculous and untrue.

Call me naïve, but it seemed to me that journalists, if they agreed to play this game, were agreeing to lie to our readers. Clearly not a good thing. But the guy was a good source and sometimes he leaked stuff that was worth reporting. What to do?

My memory is that we agreed to continue to protect his anonymity, but that we would not publish on the record stuff we knew not to be true.

I am reminded of this guy and the dilemma of what to do about him now because I fear that some journalists covering the Rudd-Gillard title fight are, in essence, lying to us.

Are there journalists who have been briefed by Rudd and his supporters, for months now and perhaps even going back to 2010, about Rudd's long-term strategy to win back the prime ministership?

Are there journalists - and for that matter newspaper editors and television and radio senior executives - who have been briefed by Rudd and his supporters over the past six months or more, about Rudd's so-called 'campaign of destabilisation'?

Did he viciously disparage Gillard? Did he viciously disparage the Government of which he was a senior member? Did his supporters do all that? Did Rudd tell journalists that he would eventually challenge for the leadership when the time was right - and when that time might be?

It seems to me that on the evidence publicly available and the evidence of gossip amongst journalists, the answer to all these questions is: yes.


If the answer is yes to all these questions - or even most of them - then there are journalists out there now who are retailing lies. They are doing so on the basis that any briefings they received from Rudd and his supporters were given on the basis of anonymity or even on the basis of 'background'.

Rudd and his supporters deny that they have run any campaign of destabilisation. Rudd and his supporters deny that they have regularly briefed journalists, editors and senior media executives. At his two bizarre press announcements in Washington, Kevin Rudd spoke as if he was a total innocent, as pure as the driven snow, morally virginal, having never ever been involved in the grubby politics of undermining, white-anting, wounding and ultimately destroying an opponent.

And reporters, some of whom knew that none of this was true, reported it all without comment, without letting us know that they knew, personally, that it was untrue.


This is 'he said, she said, they said' journalism. It is meant to be 'straight' but what it is in reality is timid and ultimately dishonest.

There have been a couple of journalists who have tried to avoid this sort of timidity and dishonesty.

Barrie Cassidy, for instance, has refused to let the Rudd campaign run with the acquiescence of silence from journalists who know things we deserve to know. But Cassidy apparently was not personally the recipient of Rudd's innermost dreams. He could say only that he knows of four journalists who were so privileged.

It is not for Cassidy to name these journalists I suppose but as long as they remain anonymous, unidentified, I do not know who is telling the truth in their reporting and who is retailing stuff they know not to be true.

All of this illustrates, in my view, that the rules of engagement in Canberra no longer serve our interests. They encourage and support dishonesty from politicians and timidity and yes, dishonesty from reporters and commentators.

The rules of engagement protect 'insiders' and keep the rest of us, we poor punters with no access to 'secrets' more or less in the dark about what's really going on.

As result, there is now a great divide between insiders, those who are members of the political elite and the rest of us know-nothings, who sense that we are being fed bullshit but have no way of proving it.


Millions of words will be written and broadcast about the Gillard-Rudd fight over the next few days. Some of our most distinguished commentators and reporters will be at the forefront of the coverage of this fight.

I can't help wondering how many of them, because of the rules of engagement in Canberra, will be unable to tell us what is really going on. On the evidence so far, there are reporters and commentators - as well as editors and broadcasting bigwigs - who have allowed things to be said and reported that they know not to be true.

Michael Gawenda is a former editor in chief of The Age and director of the Centre for Advanced Journalism at Melbourne University.


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