@apehead,
apehead;172063 wrote:Although I do agree that man would probably will nothingness before completely ceasing to act, I don't think that either are necessary consequence of nihilism of any kind.
Indeed it' s like you say. But I wonder if logical consequences are a way to explain the impact of nihilsm on History. Dynamics in History are not necessarily logical, actually very rarely.
apehead;172063 wrote: Although I agree that you are still constrained when interacting with others, it is through voluntary choice that you have submitted to the rules of the game you play. To use your example, Kaczynski lived as a hermit, but decided to attempt to bring society down. Since he had shed the typical values of society, he was free to create his own. Now, depending on what your goals are, this could be a benign or violent transition, but at least you are free to make that decision solely based upon your goals.
Also, trading one set or normative values with another seems to always result in violence. Perhaps dropping normatives altogether would sidestep the problems of nihilism?
If you can really drop them, all of them, it might. But is that possible?
Voluntary choice... really?
You describe how a former academic became a hermit and then the unabomber. But is that an explanation? How's that a man who chose to leave everything behind, then used all his intellectual skills to come back with a vengeance? Was he mad? Maybe it's true, the judge found that true (paranoid schizophrenia, according to Wikipedia). Maybe not. And if he was not, why has he done it?
He seemed quite happy to live alone in the mountains. Why did he care at all about the rest of us?
You say that he set new values and that this determined his goal to attempt to bring society down - and that he was free to choose that path as he was free not to choose it.
Sounds reasonable. There is no physical necessity, nor logical consequence between thinking that the industrial society has doomed humanity to sufferance and indignity and sticking bombs in mail parcels.
So, again, why did he choose the terrorist way? Why he chose that option and set that plan?
You seem to imply that he did so to live up to his values. Was is he still
free in doing so?
Hence you add that trading one set of values with another on a society scale brings about violence. Historically this has proved quite true.
So no values, no problems - and men can perfectly live like that? Which men? Men that don' t want, not men that want nothing.
My (rhetorical) questions stop here. I apologize for being insisting, I meant no disrespect - just a way to invite you to reconsider your position.
I believe that your recipe is
inhuman, all too inhuman (probably even
subhuman) - but maybe it' s the future.
Mankind has evolved and changed so much, why not moving in that direction?
I just wonder if that day we will still feel alive... It reminds me of the film
Zardoz.