Statute law failed the unborn - Islamic Law could be a just response?

To willfully kill an unborn child is a crime against the law of man and a crime against the law of God, witness numerous injunctions against unlawful killing generally and abortion / infanticide specifically in the Koran, which also describes the only circumstances when deliberate homicide is lawful,

Being just retaliation for unlawful killing following a fair trial, during the course of Jihad or just war against an aggressor, who must first have waged war upon oneself, ones children, ones family or ones country, or for capital corruption, injunctions and penalties endorsed in Mosaic Law and Christian Testament, which Moslems recognize as proceeding from God.

what about .. capital punishment for adultery or homosexuality?

Do you condemn any abortion for any reason?

Yes!

The Koran does not endorse CP for either of those offenses, those who say it does have misinterpreted the scriptures, while persons carrying out executions for either of those offenses should themselves be prosecuted in a capital court!



Yes!

What if the mother's life is at risk?

Or the foetus is developing with abnormalities that would deny it a reasonable quality life?

where specifically in the Qur'an is killing the unborn child mentioned?

..you[']r[e] wrong, the Koran does recommend the death penalty for [adultery homosexuality]

In the case of adultery where similar text appears to endorse death, Jesus tells us to err on the side of mercy, while in response to homosexuality, the text expresses outrage and repugnance - it does not provide the death penalty!

Natural miscarriage often occurs in entropic pregnancy situations, where the developing infant is not in the womb but someplace else, which does not give doctors or anyone else the right to kill!



If you were brought to trial after killing because you decided that "a reasonable quality of life" was impossible for the deceased, then went before a jury composed of those who are "gettin' along ok," despite any judgments you would have made regarding their physical and or mental properties, and even as Master Confucius assures us "for every day there is a dog," and that, "every dog has his day," would not the day be theirs after all.



In the name of Allah, the Beneficent the Merciful

..Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him, you shall honor your parents, you shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden, you shall not kill - Allah has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

Sura 17: Bani Israel - The Children of Israel - Verse 31 ..Slay not your children, fearing a fall to poverty, We shall provide for them and for you, the slaying of them is great sin, and come not near unto adultery, for it is an abomination and an evil way. And slay not the life which Allah hath forbidden save with right, whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power unto his heir, but let him not commit excess in slaying, he will be helped. Khalifa translation.



Not wrong at all..

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent the Merciful

Surah 24 An Nur - The Light - Verse 2 ..The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Surah 7 Al Aaraf - The Heights - Verse 80 ..Remember when he said unto his folk : Will ye commit abomination such as no nation ever did before you, for ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

Natural miscarriage often occurs in entropic pregnancy situations

Sure, but that didn't answer my question. If in mid or late pregnancy, the mother's life becomes endangered or there is a risk of her dying during child-birth, would you be aganist the abortion of the foetus/chld? Must the mother die naturally and potentially take the child with her to the afterlife, or should you save the mother's life by aborting?

in mid or late pregnancy, the mother's life becomes endangered or there is a risk of her dying during childbirth..

To willfully kill an unborn child is a crime against the law of man...

With proper care and since the pregnancy has continued to the late stage without natural miscarriage, there should be no reason that such a situation would arise.

The woman in question will be attended by experienced in midwifery personnel, who will determine whether a Caesarian section is required, while those who made the initial prognosis will be put to the sword for attempted murder!

i like your question, josh-and i am not sure myself of the answer in the context of Islamic ethics. thanks for bringing it up. i dont know if you know the answer or not, probably you do-but here are the thoughts that came to my mind in trying to reason it out rather than look for someone else's answers on the web...

I guess maybe we have to go back to the many references in the Qur'an about the creation of human beings and their formation in the womb, the stages of pregnancy etc...that would give us a basis for the contention that a foetus is a human being as a premise to begin with...wouldnt it? or is that not the case, because there is a verse translated as 'and then We made you into another creature' ...does that imply that a foetus is not a human being yet perhaps-is the spirit breathed into it at some point in time later, which as i recall may not be clearly stated to be before or after birth...this is the first issue that has to be determined...

but after that...i honestly don't know what Man is expected to do when he has the scientific knowledge (also a gift from the creator) that could save the life of the mother but end the life of the unborn. even if we knew the outcome, which is not always that easy to predict-obviously we are expected to intervene if we know how when a person needs surgery to continue living-

i also am not sure how many actual medical situations arise where it is a certainty that the mother would die if the child were not aborted. is it also certain that if the child were not aborted and the mother died, would the child still survive without intervention...

maybe it is a moral decision that has to be made over again each time as humanity evolves in its experience and knowledge and inshallah spirituality. this one may not be totally spelled out for us...

I think for Muslims, and perhaps all theists, the determining factor is when the soul is given to the child, whether that be in the womb or after birth. Is a pre-soul foetus a human? I'm inclined to think not. But since we don't know exactly when the soul is given to the foetus, perhaps it's not a relevant question...

I think this is definitely one of those things that are not totally spelled out for us. My objection to Martin's position is that it's not always the case that both the mother and child can survive, as rightly pointed out by xris. So given this reaity, and it's definitely a reality, what is the moral thing to do when you may be in a position to save either the mother or child? From the Islamic positions I've read, the priority is always the mother. A mother will in most cases have family that rely on her and have people that will miss her if she was to die. From an Islamic point of view, the child that dies will enter paradise without a reckoning. The mother may have many obligations she may still have to fulfill e.g hajj, missed fasts etc. That's not to say that the child will not be missed. The hurt felt by a mother who has to abort her child must be beyond anything I can imagine, which no doubt would be shared by the father and other family members. That's why objecting to abortion in all situations is extreme.