Another "God" question

Sorry, but I'm not buying that bit about light being the absence of darkness. I guess that technically it's true, as in not-not-A equaling A. But darkness can only be defined as the absence of light, whereas light has unique properties in and of itself independent of darkness. The same goes for good and evil.

Why do you and so many others see your biblical God as a one-sided coin - Have any of you read the bible? God created "Good" and "Evil", "rape, paedophilia, murder, torture, pain, anguish, eternal torment, hell", etc, etc, etc.
God is the Author of ALL THINGS, there are no other AUTHORS.
"By HIm, For Him and Through Him...All Things!"

Heaven is here already, if we will wipe the cobwebs from our eyes.

Keep being fantastic, my friend..

Excellent point. When we judge the world as evil, we judge "God" as evil. Certain religion break "God" into pieces, call the piece they don't like "Satan."
This is the source of much confusion. Humans waste the years trying to wash the blood off their hands, but our hands are always already bloody. We are part of this Totality, part of "God." Heaven is a state of love/beauty achieved on Earth by humans who forgive themselves and one another and their deaths. They can forgive death when they stop thinking their little face and fingerprints are what's important in them. Love is the highest state. Love is the flame. The other stuff is melting candle wax. But this is too simple. We all want afterlives and righteousness. We want an escape. But there is no escape, unless we want to live in our daydreams --which isn't always bad of course, but won't float the boat in the end, or won't get you all the way there. Heaven is here already, if we will wipe the cobwebs from our eyes.

See that's a good point because his conclusion was God does not exist because he does not partake in the world events. But how do you argue anything for God? We don't know if there is a God let a lone what God is. He could come right back and say "well show me this God"

First off, sorry if this post is repetitive and a duplicate of one already posted.

My Professor in Logic said something to me today that had me stirring. I was raised Lutheran and although I will be the first to say I am far from a faithful Lutheran I still tend to defend my religion. My question is this: If God exists why does he let things like the oil spill in the gulf occur or the holocaust? I'm hoping someone has a witty response I can give my Professor or even just something I can converse with him about. Thanks

No offense, friend, but this seems like less of a philosophical break-down of an argument and like more of a series of unjustified assertions. I might agree with you on every count, but lets back up our claims with justification, eh? Just as in the case of the religious believer, saying that a thing is so does not make it so.

because god does not exist

north;174059 wrote:

because god does not exist

That is not an argument.

It IS an argument, just not a good 1.

It is a conclusion with no premises. It is as much of an argument as saying: "the sky is blue." By saying this I don't argue its truth or falsehood. It is a statement which can be part of an argument.

Of course, if he takes the premises from the OP (natural evil . . .why?) and appends this as a conclusion then an argument has been made--still not a good one. Perhaps I should have assumed this is what was meant.

Now, taking this as the intention and saying that he concludes: "there is no God" from the question of evil, his argument is unjustified, because the premises do not justify the conclusion. They may support such a conclusion, but equal or superior conclusions are available.

You are looking in the wrong place because God is not the one responsible for the suffering of mankind.

Remember he made us a paradise and what happened? Well Satan convinced Eve to defy God and know for herself what was right from wrong.

Then if you recall what happened later the key is there. Satan and God had a sort of argument in which Satan told God that humans were only faithful to him because he (God) gave them everything easily. Satan challenged God and God with his excellent and perfect wisdom knew that if he destroyed Satan there and then that he would had not give Satan the opportunity to prove that what he was saying was false and he would look guilty in front of his spiritual creations.

So God gave satan control of the actual system of things. Bad things happen because (and you can find it in the Bible) Satan is the god of the current system of things until he (God) brings the day of Judgment.

Hi Dr,

Did God create satan? Can satan act against the will of God? Can the "End result" change?
Thank you, sir, and have a great day.

Mark...

He did create Satan. Satan can act against God and he has already done that. I dont know what you mean by "End result" But if it means can Satan repent, its too late for that.

Hope that answered your curiosity.

May you have a good day too.

Dr........

Hi again Dr Seuss,

Thank you for your reply. Can satan alter, in any way, the outcome of God's intent (assuming God is already at the outcome - "The end"). And, Was satan a 'mistake' on the behalf of God, or intended?

Thank you, and journey well, sir.

Mark...

Mark, I think God is in full control of what his intentions are since everything that has happened thus far, has already been written in his book the Bible. I dont think he was a mistake, I think he is just greedy and envious of all God has. If we call Satan a mistake then we would have to call ourselves a mistake since we too like Satan have free will. Just because someone turns out to be a serial killer it doesnt mean he is a mistake it just means he has made other choices.

Hi Dr Seuss,
Thank you. In the Bible it also talks of things that have not yet happened. Can these things change? Does God know what tomorrow will bring?
Thank you again Dr Seuss - There is a point to my questions I assure you.

Have a brilliant everything, always - In moderation, of course.

Mark...