@Emil,
wayne;150161 wrote:Conciousness could be described as a form of energy, displaying many facets.
A television collects energy that has been structured, and expresses that energy through it's physical properties.
My computer collects energy that is structured in binary code, expressing that energy in controllable ways.
My mind and my body do basically the same thing, the energy has always existed, my mind just expresses it. It seems the energy must be structured in some way prior to my mind processing it. There appears no reason for my mind to remember the energy prior to processing, yet this structured energy must have existed without my physical mind. Damage to my mind does not affect the energy ,only my ability to express it.
Haven't tried to describe this before so it's kinda convoluted.
No, just... no. I had to re-read what you wrote, because I thought for a second that you were making a fresh argument.
I won't dispute that the body certainly
seems to use energy, but it doesn't necessarily. Nor, does it follow, is the proposed energy immaterial. It still relies heavily on physical processes: chemical/food energy... the body directs it to specialized organs, muscle groups, nerve centers, etc...
These physical energies are unstructured. Even your examples are physical energies. The examples you gave are structured, at least very basically,
more sent out in a particular order in a communique between two advanced machines able to determine the presence or non-presence of energy(the structure). Either way, when the transference of energy between machines stops, so do the machines cease working.
Let's assume that some energy, this 'consciousness energy,' was consumed by the body. Why does it stay indefinitely and not become consumed by the body. All other energy is consumed by the body. It follows that this 'consciousness energy' could not become more than what it initially was. Unless you are asserting that we have alternators or other generating capacities to sustain it. I'd simply continue to argue that they must be physical and... trust me this would devolve further.
The 'consciousness energy' must be immaterial, because it can obviously not be physical and yet learn.
If we have some immaterial source sending us pre-structured, immaterial energy, which is further able to affect our physical bodies, prove it. I want to know how the immaterial affects the material with the apparent laws of conservation. Not that I'm saying they're real... they sure do appear to though.
If energy is not material and thus finite, degradable, and temporal, then it must be immaterial, but then how does it affect the apparent physical, and who is sending it to me?
(I have protracted idealism to include a second realm of ideal. I keep trying to conceive this, but I'm a bit hungover. Its basically ideal, ideal, reality. <--not central to my point.)