Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2010 05:47 pm
Any reasons to support a fascist society, besides fear of speaking out?
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Insty
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2010 05:56 pm
@Quinn phil,
I'm gonna say no.
Rwa001
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2010 02:22 am
@Insty,
It's highly efficient and effective. But that can be a pretty terrible quality if the fascist leader has negative plans.
Quinn phil
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:55 pm
@Rwa001,
Rwa001;139814 wrote:
It's highly efficient and effective. But that can be a pretty terrible quality if the fascist leader has negative plans.


Efficient and effective in achieving what goal?
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Derek M
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 05:18 pm
@Quinn phil,
There's reason to support fascism if you want a unified people with a powerful collective identity, and an unwavering belief in their collective superiority over everyone else; and who are willing to take any measure to perpetuate the existence of the collective and prove said superiority. We could probably consider the Spartans to have built the ultimate fascist state, really, and they have quite a few admirers. I can't say I really see the appeal, myself.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 05:50 pm
@Derek M,
Derek M;141349 wrote:
There's reason to support fascism if you want a unified people with a powerful collective identity, and an unwavering belief in their collective superiority over everyone else; and who are willing to take any measure to perpetuate the existence of the collective and prove said superiority. We could probably consider the Spartans to have built the ultimate fascist state, really, and they have quite a few admirers. I can't say I really see the appeal, myself.
Sparta conquored most of ancient greece, but couldn't hold their newly conquored terretory, because their doctrins and ways was too harsh, even though per se citizen had more freedom, such as women could freely walk about, do boxing and was kinda "equal" to a man. Was allowed to refuse sexual intercourse with a man, where as other states would consider women more or less slaves.

Often facist regimes exacts too radical philosophy for other countries/states to support, only already radical coutries/states will support such facist regime, ie Japan and Italy would support Hitler in WW2, hench "the Axis Powers".

Imo such facist states usually have a poor focus of administrative power, and thereby fails compared to most modern western administrative philosophies.
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TranscendHumanit
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 09:26 am
@Quinn phil,
Quinn;129481 wrote:
Any reasons to support a fascist society, besides fear of speaking out?

Fascism was a slightly reactionary movement designed to stem the tide of chaos and disorder that developed due to democratic totalitarian states. Unfortunately, its solution was a totalitarian state. To my lights fascism (and National Socialism) have many admirable traits and ideals, but are ultimately doomed (and insane) because they utilize the tactics of democratic socialism - popularism, state-socialism, mass propaganda - which are inherently incompatible with the kind of counter-democratic society they wished to established.

If you had ever lived through Bolshevik terrorism, you would know why people would support fascism. Mussolini was no Stalin, and for that matter, neither was Adolf Hitler.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 09:31 am
@Quinn phil,
Quinn;129481 wrote:
Any reasons to support a fascist society, besides fear of speaking out?


Well, they used to say about Mussolini that he "made the trains run on time". I guess that's a reason.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 10:16 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;149228 wrote:
Well, they used to say about Mussolini that he "made the trains run on time". I guess that's a reason.
Actually, with that statemen, I wish we had LOTS more facism in Denmark.
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:13 pm
@Rwa001,
Rwa001;139814 wrote:
It's highly efficient and effective. But that can be a pretty terrible quality if the fascist leader has negative plans.

Feudealism, and its modern variant, fascism was effective and efficient; but when everything depends upon the ability of a single individual at the top and the coordination of all the vassels down to the last there is no limit to the trouuble one might get into...

Objective good is never the purpose of organization... When people do organize to do good they find their efforts defused by politics, the personality of organizations...Only when people are organized by a single evil purpose, usually, their benefit and the injury of others can they unite as a single individual under a single individual...It is amazing that good people consider freedom good even when it keeps them from a greater good, and yet to have no good, bad people first surrender freedom.
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Baal
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 02:23 pm
@Quinn phil,
Feudalism is an economic/social structure whereas Fascism is more of an ideological/power structure. As DerekM stated, fascism is primarily a form of a collective ideology and power structure which sees itself as reactionary in a perpetual sense, forms itself as a revival or a continuation of a collective source of strength revolving around a single structure of power which is meant to permeate all aspects of life (Ecnomics, Culture, Education, Religion). Most important in this comparison, is that Fascism is inherently centralized, whereas feudalism is inherently decentralized.
TranscendHumanit
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 02:35 pm
@Baal,
Baal;149302 wrote:
Feudalism is an economic/social structure whereas Fascism is more of an ideological/power structure. As DerekM stated, fascism is primarily a form of a collective ideology and power structure which sees itself as reactionary in a perpetual sense, forms itself as a revival or a continuation of a collective source of strength revolving around a single structure of power which is meant to permeate all aspects of life (Ecnomics, Culture, Education, Religion). Most important in this comparison, is that Fascism is inherently centralized, whereas feudalism is inherently decentralized.


Agreed 100%. Feudalism is totally decentralized.
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Shadow Dragon
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2010 04:59 pm
@Quinn phil,
Like others have said, Facism can be a very efficient type of society. With the right leadership, a facist society could easily out produce democratic countries and could have a much lower rate of crime. However, like other forms of government, it completely depends on the level of corruption and the quality of leadership.
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Jacques Maritain
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2010 05:22 pm
@Quinn phil,
Fascism was not a reactionary movement. Much of the opposition to Fascism came from reactionaries, including the attempted coup against Hitler in July 1944. Fascism is a revolutionary nationalist ideology.
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