Crowded education

Simple questions;
Do we learn better in a social environment or is the social the part that distracts us from our education?

Do we need people to learn better, quicker, fuller?

Is the distraction needed?

Define 'distraction' i suppose, as well as 'education', as well as 'social' (some groups are more social than others).

Simply put, is home-schooling good or bad?

I am not sure that the operative, or primarly, distinction that determines genuine benefits between home- or public-schooling is whether it is done in "private" or in a social situation. It may be that the teacher is more important, for example.

Good questions

My feeling is that if I had to choose that the social aspect Helped or Hurt, I'd say "hurt"; although one can't deny the value of students (particuarly the young) learning how to relate/interact with one another. I don't know if this is part of the implicit intent of large-scale schooling, only that it does take place.

Home Schooling: I think it's probably better. Remember, we're not so much wanting to just poor information into heads (like filling up the glass), education's best achievement is to teach how to learn first, then establish those mental processes that spawn others towards maturity. It's hard for me to imagine how doing this en-masse is any more effective. Almost any scenario would favor less students per educator.

I'd actually need to think on this first. I'm compromised by my own experience (Public Schooled), so it's difficult for me to conceive of other pitfalls or advantages of the home-variety.

Thanks

Sometimes quick thinking will save lives, you can't spend days dwelling on how the best way to put out the fire if the house is burning.

Laws of human understanding, is it's very limited. Even if your education only takes 2 years, u'll never remember 100% of the teaching, less master it all.

education isn't life itself,

4) homeschooling might be overall bad, but in some cases nessesary should you not fit into the big crowd.

Yes but the person who invented the smoke alarm spent time (slow thought) which ultimately saves more lives overall.

Thats why some teach and some do.

But life is nothing but an education.

You wont learn if you dont test.

Some teach and some do ...do what?

LOL? Are you trying to be amuseing?

and hardly fits the relevance of this conversation.

For you it may, but maybe you should study people more, and see how many reactionaries there are.

So would you mind telling me what the relevance is.

I study as many people who come into contact with me, whom i come into contact with, I'm studying you right now. And still learning something new.

- relevance is being constructive.

- and what have you found by studying me?

Yes i meant to omit the teacher, instead focusing upon the class and those we relate to or away from, we never (rarely) see the teacher as an equal and we can never (rarely) think to be the same as, whether we revere or dismiss the teacher it is rarely the teacher we are trying to impress more than we would a ready class, unless in the case of home-schooling where you have no one to either despise or worship. You have a teacher and yourself and unless a twin home-schooled you have no one to want to be better than or be worse than.
Is competiton in of the class needed? and what other things does a class give that we all need to grow and able to learn more efficiently?
And i doubt there is, but what could home-schooling give as a benefit that a class could not?

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Yes but how to learn is often by if not always example (apart from inspiration), we often cant imagine things, cant conceptualise unless we have been given an example and something to either aspire towards or to run like hell away from.
It is a balance of both home and class that i think is important we need the home to show us what genuine people are like and what the genuine have to offer and the job of the home to show (if at all possible) what is the detriment to the self by becoming mixed with those who are not genuine, but unless we are exposed to the nature of people, how are we ever to know our selves as more than just a part of a family unit, which although we all are part of a vast family there are many and far to many members of our family who want to be divorced and want to divorce you from yours.
How are we going to battle them if we cant even recognise them when they come with their illusions, just as how are we to recognise those of whom have love and welcome for us if we have never met them.
Family and friends and collegues are three different species we need to be familiar with all.
Just because we have had a bad time at school surely it is for us at home to then teach our family how to survive, not to be without or against.
Even birds know when to push out of the nest even if it kills them.

I hated school but i think it is necessary to at least know what it is worth hating in this world.
As with all things we hate we should at least be willing to try and change that hate into like. We cant change the world of hate by ignoring and choosing not to participate.

BUt this is coming from someone who would walk away from a class if i did not like its members before stopping to recognise the teacher.
It is a fact we need to be better than someone else in order to need to change and grow, the yard stick by which we measure ourselves is not ourselves, i worry that if all you have to try and be better than is a teacher you are likely to give up or just go along with it all far faster than if there was a little competition.
But at this point i would also like to say that competition is not all, something i find viewing American schools to be the root of their societies rot. Why Janis Joplin killed herself.
Life may be a competition but it is a truth that winning is NOT everything. Taking part as like life is supposed and is its own reward, we just continuously think that 'this is not my life' and that better is possible. Guess what life is life, the least you could do while you have it is live it. And be bloody grateful for it, instead of measuring it by all others standards as your own, guess what they aren't you either.
If you dont come 1st in America and alot of other places now, the more we become Americanised (this is not a term of endearment anymore and we wonder why, so sorry but not fully if i offend) the more the competition is not about competition, it is about status. Achievement itself is no longer about the equation it is the fact rather than what it took to ge there. People only want to know the answer they no longer want to figure it out.

I have never in my life understood why people cheat. Status i suppose. To be recognised for what? as what? something that you are not? I dont get it. Maybe if people could recognise themselves they might know how to recognise what is real.
Guess what, a cheat is not real but a cheat.
I just dont get it.

I went on a bit and a little off topic, nevermind.

Back on topic, why do i want a classmate, why do i want someone to also not know as i do not know?

Honey, you are anything but humble. ~70% I may appear as a great tyrant and such, but ~25% of the time, I am actually humble (as I see it)

Is it the knowledge that is humble? Heavily depends on audience in what way the precive the knowledge, how deep they think and see the knowledge.

Or is it humbly knowing? Hmm ..apparently more of a poetic question.

This does not make you less though. I dunno.

And any less of a teacher. Then a whale is a teacher? A butterfly is a teacher?

Teachers are supposed to know. Not nessesarily, there's a lot teachers dunno, siencetist still searches for answers to finish the greater puzzle of knowledge, but what teachers should do, is to convery what we assume to know, and inspire the students to search for good knowledge, and cast aside the poor knowledge.

You just try to hard to control the lesson. Indeed, too many people are ruled by emotion, and those who are ruled by emotion ..are prone to fear.

You can have all the proof in the universe, you still need ot convince it.
Existance existed is our teacher. Kids exist, are they teachers?

You exist you are a teacher. Some tribal person exist, never saw civilized civilization, never knew about TV, iron birds, telecommunication, guns ..etc, what kind of teacher is he?

You exist in my existance you make of me believer. Follow me only because of wisdom and intelligence, follow me not because of hope and illusions, follow me not through thick and thin, follow those who bring good wisdom, not the navelgazing poets, not the naive, not the ignorent.

Depending on the subject social and nonsocial setting are needed. For example in a more general classroom. lets say English, algebra, or history, subjects which aren't that hard for amateurs, then classroom can be a as big as the teacher wants it because everyone is able to learn these subjects. But in higher level subjects, like calculus, music theory, or some high science class, smaller classes are needed because these subjects are harder to understand and you need to already have a mind for it. The little environment of smart people around allows for more easy access of knowledge to flow.

But socially, education is more effective if the student learns around others, that's what education is for anyway, to help us live in the world, to help us understand the world and be able to live and associate appropriately among others.

I agree, I agree,I agree. Cheating is foolish and, relating to education, is an impossible way to be educated in doing better and in understanding the subjects at hand. The practice of education is to teach you how to think and live but if you only practice being lazy and coping someone else, then how will you survive?