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Theory of meaning, and abstract objects.

 
 
Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 08:05 am
I take it that there are three views concerning the nature of meaning. They are:

1). Meaning as ideas in the mind. This view is from Berkeley. Concerning this view, there are suppose to be ideas in our mind, and complicated ideas are really conjunctions of many different simply ideas. So, the word "red" corresponds to the idea of red in the mind, and goldmountain is a conjunction of the idea 'gold', and 'mountain'.


2) Meaning as use. This view is from wittgenstein. The thought is that 1 is wrong. Take the word "red". In view 1, we can match the word "red" to the idea of red in our mind. According to W, view 1 is wrong. We can never match the word "red" with anything in the mind. What we can do is to see how certain words like "red" are used in different language games.

3)Meaning as reference. Kripki say it best when he said "the meaning of a name is it` s referent". So, the word "red" is meaningful only to the extend that the word refers to the universal.

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In set theory, for A, B are sets, the following is true:

1. A union B = B union A


The question is: why is 1 true?

Wittgenstain would say: 1 is true by stipulation.

Kripki would say: I is true because there are abstract objects.

mathematical fictionalism would say: There are no abstract objects. What we are doing is pretending that we have abstract objects, and look at the consequences.

If kripki is right, then there ough to be mind-independent sets just like people, and cars. Where are they?

My question is: why do you think 1 is true.
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 10:35 am
@vectorcube,
At no point would Wittgenstein have said that.
vectorcube
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jul, 2009 12:40 pm
@Theages,
wittgenstein `s theory of meaning is the way i describe. Meaning of X is reductive to how X is used.
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Theages
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jul, 2009 01:02 pm
@vectorcube,
That doesn't mean that mathematical statements are true simply by stipulation. He addresses this somewhere in the Lectures on the Foundations of Mathematics (I don't have a copy in front of me, so I'm afraid I can't give you a citation). While it may be the case that some operations seem dependent on our assent, there are some that force their conclusions upon us.
vectorcube
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 04:07 am
@Theages,
Theages;78170 wrote:
That doesn't mean that mathematical statements are true simply by stipulation. He addresses this somewhere in the Lectures on the Foundations of Mathematics (I don't have a copy in front of me, so I'm afraid I can't give you a citation). While it may be the case that some operations seem dependent on our assent, there are some that force their conclusions upon us.


No, W opinion is more in line with stipulation when it comes to foundation of math. W later philosophy is anti-metaphysical. As such, there is very little room for W to justify math axioms unless by stipulation that they hold.
Theages
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 09:49 am
@vectorcube,
Well, I guess without sources we're both full of it Smile
vectorcube
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 01:37 am
@Theages,
Theages;78303 wrote:
Well, I guess without sources we're both full of it Smile


In all honesty, i don` t care what W say. I don ` t use authority to win a dispute. Not my style.
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