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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:07 pm
"Most people who are in the prison system will get out, they will be somebody's neighbor and they will have gained nothing from their time in prison except the knowledge that "it's you or me" because that's the way it is in our prisons. They have removed most of the educational programs from our prisons because the tax payers don't want to throw away good money on worthless criminals. They have no counseling, nothing to help them change whatever it was that got them where they are in the first place. Is this what we really want?" "Misconceptions About Prison Life" By Jeanette Doil

The Eighth Amendment of The Bill of Rights for the Constitution of the United States: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." The very way prisons are operated today is a clear violation of this amendment.

Prison life today is the complete forfeiture of freedom for a certain period of time; sometimes the remaining days of one's life. Both violent and non-violent people are mixed together in the prison population which violates the Eighth Amendment because the potentiality for violence against non-violent offenders strongly exists. Furthermore, given the present conditions, those given life sentences without the possibility of parol would be better off if given the option of execution by the method of their choosing. But what about those with the chance of eventually leaving prison and returning to society?

One of the things strongly lacking in prison today is personal discipline; self imposed discipline. This is the discipline that makes you try harder and work more intensely then you ever thought you could. Sadly, prisoners lack both the incentive and ability to develop this themselves. Consequently, discipline needs to come from outside themselves. The best source of external discipline comes from United States Marine Corps boot-camp seargants. Prisoners need to be treated the same as new recruits when they step off the bus into the prison yard for the first time. It needs to be made clear that until they are released, the "system" will not allow them to continue in their present state of disorder. Once the prisoner accepts their new found source of discipline, they may "graduate" to learning a trade or completing an education. Various forms of counselling must also be provided in order to keep them focused on their path to rehabilitation. The right of the prisoners to peaceably assemble must be forfeited in order to prevent the formation of groups detrimental to the process. This would also prevent the smuggling of drugs into the prison as the corrupt corrections officer would no longer have a "market". The problem with prisons today is that they only serve to foster a continuation of the human condition that leads to incarceration. With all this discussion and funding of homeland security, it would seem logical to start with America's prisons as a means of improving the safety and security of every United States citizen.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:11 pm
Joe, have you ever been either a prisoner or a prison guard?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:11 pm
Watching "OZ" on HBO made me more sensitive to what is going on in our prison system. Although I don't believe anyone should be rewarded for committing a crime, white collar (color?) crime which often involves stealing millions from the public over someone stealing a stereo out of a car get virtually the same sentence in what amounts to a country club prison. I believe a criminal can be rehabilitated and there's a reason why we have more people in prison than any other country.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:12 pm
Incidentally, Welcome to A2K, JOEBIALEK!
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:19 pm
I agree that our prisions are in terrible shape. They have become warehouses.

This is from today's paper:

Today, 22 percent of Oregon's 12,200 inmates suffer from serious mental illness, according to the Department of Corrections. That's about 2,700 prisoners, nearly four times the number of patients currently housed at the state mental hospital.

By comparison, the mentally ill represented about 11 percent of the prison population in 1996, when the penitentiary dedicated its Special Management Unit strictly to psychiatric care.

Prison superintendents say mixing people who are battling serious mental problems with the general inmate population has made managing prisons more difficult and often dangerous.

Full story:
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1068814567294900.xml

In my state, they've closed the mental hospitals and now all those people get sent to prision. It's sad and scary.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 07:51 pm
Re: PRISON
JOEBIALEK wrote:
One of the things strongly lacking in prison today is personal discipline; self imposed discipline. This is the discipline that makes you try harder and work more intensely then you ever thought you could.


Discipline isn't lacking in prisons. It's lacking in society as a whole which is why people are in prisons to begin with.


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The best source of external discipline comes from United States Marine Corps boot-camp seargants. Prisoners need to be treated the same as new recruits when they step off the bus into the prison yard for the first time. It needs to be made clear that until they are released, the "system" will not allow them to continue in their present state of disorder.


And what incentive is there for a prisoner to conform to this system? A Marine Corps Recruit is there of their own free will. It's a decision they made. And if they fail the system - they get sent home.

A prisoner is, by definition of the word, in prison against their own free will. If they don't conform to the boot-camp premise are they to be released?

Our prison system... well.. it SUCKS. There are PLENTY of areas for improvement. But trying to apply a model that works off of entirely different motivation won't improve things.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 09:53 pm
This problem to me is nearly as bad a disgrace as slavery. In fact, there's even an element of that within our prison system and I'm not talking about their sexual habits.
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 11:37 pm
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