I've been thinking about religion recently as well as heaven.
What bearing, I feel pressed to ask, might this have on the following question?
Simply put, I wondered if science could explain anything that happens after death, even vaguely.
Without going into spills of how we come to know of anything, and while making it clear that we would surely come to see that we don't always need perfection of information on the practical level, the answer to the above question is affirmative--a fair degree of what happens to a body after death is known, and can be explained
. (hee, hee, hee...)
The humor above is simply to second the motion inherent in jgweed's #6
, on page one. . . a more precise OP is always helpful. Otherwise, if I were to beg for the allowance of rephrasing the thread's title to read something along the lines of ' Can scientific-method-thinking agree with the concept of the survival of the brain/consciousness/mind axis after death?
,' then the answer is, up to the moment, not at all. (and I very seriously doubt that that
will U-turn and colapse back in on itself)
One cannot really approach this while thinking about something like 'heaven
' (and not even religious belief-system docrine, really) because of the automatic presupposition included in that tenet. It should be approached firstly, in as neutral a position as possible, and then thought and observation applied to it. (see posts numbers 6
, and 11
. . . if it is impossible to revive them [i.e. people who have somatically died], you can't rule out that they have left their body. (amplification mine)
One possible starting point of investigation can be found here, namely, why and/or how we could consider the circumstances where a person leaves their body, and what detail would that entail.
A fair amount of hair development material has left me; is that waiting somewhere for the rest of me to catch up with it? Some feeling in an area of my forehead has left me (lesson learned: don't go trying to put your head through car windshields...tis not very productive a thing) and a fair amount of memory has left me [or I just can't access it, whichever], so what would that mean, as far as 'me
' leaving my body, or 'my body
' leaving me?
OBEs have been shown clearly enough to not be cases of any body function leaving the body, just as NDEs have; and there are no cases of revival after the point of somatic death. The process of body and brain function is very much secured as being just that, body and brain functioning process, so we have a clear enough foundation upon which to follow through on, namely, that body is body (emergent properties pending that). It does not appear to hold at all, therefore, that bodily process can thus materially (1)
leave body, and still be bodily process.
1. Here, 'materially
' refers to a material degree, as in a major degree, and leave implicates such as not returning--to avoid something like sleep states (which usually we revive out of), stupors, or coma states, which often enough, one revives out of.