Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 05:44 pm
I think God is die where is God? is he die or alive? is he hiding in heaven? if God is alive why is he hiding himself from humanity? it seem God feel safe hiding in heaven.

I think that God is not die he is asleep he is snoring in is heavenly bed God as sleep off and forgot humanity .

The angel in heaven should please help wake him up.
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KaseiJin
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 09:00 pm
@the wise one phil,
Hi there, the wise one. I guess that for all practical matters, we'd have to think that if one sleeps, that one must be a normal biological entity of animated format (a living thing, that is). If one can sleep, therefore, we would most likely be correct in taking that one to possibly die. That, in turn, requires that one to have been born firstly, though.

In English, when we use "God," we are essentially using that word as a name; a name in place of YHWH (the Jewish model, basically). According to that model, YHWH never was born, and never sleeps nor dies (but he may be holed up somewhere pouting in his anger). Maybe you're talking about Zeus? I think he died somewhere around the fourth century? Or, maybe Ra? As far as I know, he ran off to ra-ra land and his message machine is full, so . . .

Why are you wondering, though, if I may ask?
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2009 05:48 am
@KaseiJin,
Is God dead? Nietzsche's Zarathustra thought so.

St. Anselm's famous ontological argument says, essentially, that God must exist because God's existence is not dependent on anything; it is greater to exist independently of anything than to depend on something else for existence. But Nietzsche notices that God's existence depends upon humans who believe in His existence. If humans can decide not to believe in God, God in the classical sense must be dead.

But we should ask: if no one believes in gravity, does gravity cease to exist? The answer seems to be that gravity continues to exist independent of man's belief.

I think Nietzsche forces us to reconsider the way we think about God. If God is believed by an individual, God becomes integral to the individual's perspective of the world. If an individual does not believe in God, God is a distant concept with little influence over a person's perspective.

Hunter Thompson's character Raoul Duke remarks "Lord, you better take care of me otherwise you'll have me on your hands." If Duke does not find evidence of God's mercy as he flees Las Vegas in terror, Duke will be forced to reconsider his belief in God - and the reconsideration could possibly lead to God's death, something God would, presumably, not want.

If we step back and try to imagine what Nietzsche's declaration means socially, we can say this: God has lost His universal applicability. It is up to the individual to decide whether or not God exists. When a person believes in God, this belief has an influence on the person, and therefore, an influence on anything the person influences. In this way, God exists, through His influence upon individuals and their influence upon the larger world.

Of course, the clever theist will turn this back toward Anselm's argument for aseity: God necessarily exists, but His influence is determined by the belief in Him.
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the wise one phil
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 06:08 pm
@KaseiJin,
KaseiJin;65913 wrote:
Hi there, the wise one. I guess that for all practical matters, we'd have to think that if one sleeps, that one must be a normal biological entity of animated format (a living thing, that is). If one can sleep, therefore, we would most likely be correct in taking that one to possibly die. That, in turn, requires that one to have been born firstly, though.

In English, when we use "God," we are essentially using that word as a name; a name in place of YHWH (the Jewish model, basically). According to that model, YHWH never was born, and never sleeps nor dies (but he may be holed up somewhere pouting in his anger). Maybe you're talking about Zeus? I think he died somewhere around the fourth century? Or, maybe Ra? As far as I know, he ran off to ra-ra land and his message machine is full, so . . .

Why are you wondering, though, if I may ask?



i wonder if God is dead because there are a lot of problems that God cause that he only can slove i believe humanity don,t need God to help us slove our human problem but that we die so we need help from a spiritual being to be able to live forever

a lot of human are dying from sickness like HIV/AID SWINE FLU CANCER
why did God create all those sickness to make us cry if God went to teach us our human mistake is enough to teach humanity but using sickness to displine us show that God do not have human feeling

God is sleeping, God is not sleeping the way human sleep is type of sleep is a spiritual sleep, if God is awake we could not have die

something is wrong in heaven, i think satan might have murder God i think God might be die
hue-man
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 02:02 pm
@the wise one phil,
I don't think that the concept of God is dead, but it sure does seem to be dying. As a result of its battle with science and modernity, the God idea has become more obscure and inconsequential. I believe that God will eventually dilute into a vague agnostic mysticism.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 03:55 pm
@the wise one phil,
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the God idea has become more obscure and inconsequential. I believe that God will eventually dilute into a vague agnostic mysticism.


As it should be.

It is crazy that people who claim to have faith take the next step witch is forcing others to adopt a morality based on nothing more than faith. It is insane and if you really examine it, it is nothing more than what a lunatic would say.

If you think god exists, and that he has some moral system that you should follow. By all means follow it, but it does not give you the right to force that moral system onto others. Let other people decide for themselves weather or not they should adopt that moral system.

Laws do not make people moral. It only makes less moral people more immoral.
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