@Ola,
Dear Ola,
You decide on the "intelligent people vs US Republicans thing."
But actually: I think you raise something germane to my point here:
Normally, people can see a tension between philosophy and what they consider to be STUPID politics, i.e. the politics of their ideological opponents. Here the tension, we tend to think, consists in the fact that philososophy (here meant as reason, good sense, intellectual merit and so on) belongs on my side, whereas my opponent seems all too obviously devoid of thought. Note, of course, that I am not saying that it is good that we tend to think such things (i.e. assume that our political opponents are morons) -- I actually find this one of the biggest political problems in our culture (something that militates against that old democratic dream of a vigorous public sphere) But, I still note that we tend to do this.
But I'm thinking instead, in this thread, of a tension between philosophy and the politics of a group that we (or, in my example our hypothetical philosopher) might actually ourselves endorse -- a politics with which our philosopher might actually align herself.
So, say you are attempting to live the examined life, but are also (as is perfectly probable) a socialist/a conservative/an anarchist/a liberal (in the English sense) or whatever. The kind of tension that I've been trying to articulate in this thread is the kind that might arise, not between you and your opponents, but between you and your political allies.
Example, say I'm part of a group of neo-anarchists and I'm living in a squat, protesting the need for better housing in my home city (and at the same time against the alienating, atomising living conditions of life under late capitalism.)
Now, while I'm living in this house (run as a co-operative) I happen to be reading a copy of say Machiavelli's Discourses. I'm also writing a PhD on Gramsci. While doing so, a strange detour in my research leads me to becoming interested in -- I don't know -- Edmund Burke. Suddenly (like lots of people who were not themselves conservatives -- I'm thinking of William Hazlitt for instance) I actually start thinking that Burke is pretty cool, and that I'm going to write about Burke, read more Burke and moreover that while I don't -- qua anarchist -- agree with the man that there's something in Burke that ISN'T present in the preferred readings of my squat (which might not even be Noam Chomsky and Giorgio Agamben so much as pamphlets put out by our sister 'direct action' organisations. In fact, let's say, the rest of the guys don't undersatnd why I'm doing something as institutional as doing a PhD -- but here it's not just an anarchist's suspicion of institutions that's at issue -- it's the fact that to the minds of my fellow activists, time spent on 'philosphy' takes time away from 'action', where it is action that is pre-eminently (or so say the rest of these people) 'political'.
So, here we'd have what I'd consider to be a playing out of the tension between politics and philosophy in the tension between my (imaginary) philosopher in the squat -- thinking about the nature of republican (not Republican) government and the rest of the guys who, being confident that they know 'what is to be done' -- wonder why my philosopher is wasting her time examining propositions that the rest of the collective consider self-evident. One of my major points about the tension throughout this has been to try and say that in politics, people want to say: 'hey, we have to oppose this OBVIOUS injustice NOW. We need to get so-and-so out of jail, we need to repeal this piece of legislation, we don't have TIME to sit around and ask 'but what is the good?' Or, if we do, we need to do get to answers quickly -- even if they are not ultimate, we need answers about what has to be done now -- if we're to -- save the planet from ecological degradation/stop this theocracy coming to power/help these refugees from being locked up in detention centres.
Given this: can we not imagine a situation where the rest of the 'autonomous collective' (note I'm not trying to say anything snide about anarchists -- substitute them for a group of young conservatives or moderate liberals if you prefer) are a little suspicious of the person with the Machiavelli? It's not that I think that they necessarily WILL, but I think it is a distinct possibility that some of them MIGHT.
My thought would be that the suspicions of the collective might be of the following sort: what is she (our philosopher) doing? How does her thinking herself into a scholarly stupour help the cause? Doesn't she potentially distract herself from her commitment by idly asking questions like 'what is justice' and reading books about it, when she could read a few books about it -- and come to the position of the rest of the collective?
Could it even be regarded as suspicious -- as involving deviations from the ideological line (e.g. she's reading Machiavelli and not Giorgio Agamben.)
So, obviously I'm not just saying that the anarchists prefer ideology to 'thought' (let's say many of them think of themselves as intellectually distingusihed in various ways), let's say they see a a definite place for 'theory' (that it might even have played a prominent role in making them do what they do), but that they at the same time, the whole fully Socratic 'examined life' thing seems excessive, like a luxury that we cannot afford, while real political battles continue to rage.
Some of what I'm saying here, is coming from (my admittedly limited personal) experience, but also from anecdotes from others -- of differing political commitments.
But, if I could also put it in terms of philosophical expereinces as opposed to political ones. I'ts like this: I often find myself feeling quiet alienated amongst political allies because of what I think of is the at best indifference if not active scorn of said allies for philosophy.
Of course, we can feel alieanted from people for all kinds of reasons, and God knows, I can be as graceless and charmless as the next person, but I'm not talking about situations where I feel unhappy because people are just generally thining: "Wow, that Mal's really a bit of a prat."
Instead, I'm thinking of times when, I've thought my philosophical interests -- in taking me away from the ideological orthodoxies of my fellow-traveller's looked suspicious to what you could see as the guys fighting on the ground. My activities look hopelessly self-indulgent, impractical, youthful. These people, I've found, often end up sounding like Callicles in the Gorgias: philosophy's all very well for the very young or the very old. It can be nice, it can be stimulating: but to devote too much time to it is to lose sight of the real situation . Surely, every would-be philosopher faces such objections to philosophy every day from friends/family/colleagues et cetera?
I've also heard very many similar reports from other "philosophy types" talking about their non-philosophcially inclined political allies and heard these stories from people from all over the political spectrum.
Conversely to this, I've often found myself to be friends (often good friends!) with philosophers with whom I have very strong political disagreements.
Nonetheless, I have sometimes seen (and I'm imagining you have) a rigour, and depth of conviction amonst my philosophically-trained political opponents that I have found lacking in my political allies? Does this ring any bells for anyone?
I worry, actually (also possibly apologising to VideCorSpoon) that my initial post was too vague, for anyone to see what I was getting at. Hope this helps.
-Mal.