Do you believe in Rational Fallacy

This is not the case though, I'll try to explain later in this post.



I laughed for about five minutes after reading this. If reason is a gift of god then by all means ninety five percent of all christians are not using that gift.



I'm not sure who the scholastics are that you mention.

Rational decisions are subjective to the goals of the individual. You can't make the claim that there are best decisions and wrong decisions decisively. As soon as you try to do that you are making subjective claims about your own beliefs of what is rational.



This statement is a butcher because it ignores good actions as well which we are also slaves to "positive" emotions like happiness, contentment, love and the feelings of security. Even these so called "good" emotions cause people to do evil things. So you are a slave to ALL of the emotions not just the negative ones.

Not to mention there is no clear cut evil or good decisions. I have pointed this out to you on many occasions but you keep ignoring it as if you can't see that they are subjective realities.

The context of the situation is how people try and determine if an action is good or evil. You can not apply one decisions to all further choices. If you try to do that, then by all means someone will eventually point out that your choices were either evil or good.

Here is an example.

You have a brother who you know has committed cold blooded murder. You are on a camping trip together and were out in a boat fishing when he decided to have some fun by rocking the boat. You wrestle around with him and both of you fall over board and into the water. You manage to climb back into the boat and your brother requests for you to help him back into the boat. You decide to make a deal with him before helping him back into the boat. You ask him if he ever plans to murder again. He laughs and seriously answers you by saying he enjoys killing people. So you decide not to help him into the boat and on top of that you beat him repeatedly over the head with one of the oars from the boat. What you neglected to notice was that you were being watched from shore by someone who saw you both fall over board and then you repeatedly beat your brother with the oar killing him. When you row back to shore you are greeted by law enforcement officers who arrest you for the murder of your brother. You try to plead with them that you were doing good by killing your murderous brother.

In your mind you believe that you have prevented some future suffering by preventing your brother from killing any more people. But from everyone else's perspective you are a murderer yourself. Even if you try to convince everyone of your case you will still be seen as a murderer.

The reason is that evil and good are completely and utterly subjective realities. People who refuse to accept this fundamental truth do so only because they WANT the universe to be a fair play ground, it's not. If it was we would have a peaceful world by now.

actually rational decisions are based accumulation or the bringing in of knowledge relevent to the subject discussed

therefore rational is not a belief in the first place

Rational fallacy is not a belief system, but a decision to do good or evil

All of our decisions to act are ultimately motivated by emotion. If one were successful in completely eliminating emotions of people, all of the people would die, because they would do nothing. The reason you eat is because you want to eat; take away the desire, and you do not eat. The reason you get out of the way of a speeding car in the road is because you do not want to be hit by it. Take away the desire to not be hit, and you no longer have a motive to get out of the way.

"Desire", of course, is feeling, which means it is emotion.

This, by the way, is one of the absurdities of the original idea presented of Vulcans in Star Trek, as a life of pure logic is impossible. Without emotion, there would be no goals at all, and so one would not act at all. Of course, in Star Trek, they quickly abandoned the idea of Vulcans being purely logical after all, but that is beside the point.

Logic and reason are good for being able to find the means to achieve one's goals, so they are extremely important. But they never set any ultimate goals.

Typically, a choice is thought of as "rational" if it involves a common desire and appropriate means to satisfy that desire. Thus, when someone steps out of the way of a speeding car, this is often labeled "rational" because it involves a commonly held emotional desire to live, and involves appropriate means to achieve that desire. But the only part that rationality plays in this is in figuring out the means to the goal or end; the ultimate end itself is pure emotion. And that is the case whether it is a commonly held desire or not.

I disagree

while emotion is important , the act or action of survival comes first , instinct




the reason you eat , breath , drink has nothing to with emotion but with the inate understanding that not to do so = death

take away the desire to eat is in a sence insanity really




again a sence of insanity , no sence of self preservation



desire is not so much a feeling or emtion but of a want beyond need



I disgree

logically the Vulcans wanted to survive

they changed the attitude of the Vulcans towards " emotion " because most people couldn't and can't relate

my opinion



actually they both do to me

it is the emotion and the lack of Reason and logic that causes all the problems we have today , religion



then it is not rational




it is the instinctive reaction to survive