@Aedes,
Aedes:....If we are looking for excuses to deny to people their rights there is no end to it... This was once our entire land, and it is a common wealth..People who carved part of the public conquest, as this country is, taken from King and Natives, should understand that private property is only a trust, and it still must do what it would have done in public hands, and support the whole people...Now; I have never heard of any society that did not have some slugs... So what??? Slugs have rights, and not absolute; but minimum... But in societies which had equality, democracy, and a universal claim to justice; even when they did not have differences in wealth, had people compete for honors... People who care seek to raise themselves above the mean, and unless equality is protected for them, their children will not be able to do even so much against a greater impediment... We are crazy to believe that the qulaities that make one person of one generation great will in the least be inherited by the next... So for the good of society, and for the benefit of the individual. All wealth, all power, and even all honors should be returned to the common wealth where they belong.... This is our common property, and it is the futility so many face in trying to have any, when some have excess, that ruins so many... One should not have to be an asss to be wealthy, nor only be born to be rich... We are a common wealth, and wealth in private hands may seem a benefit, and a just reward, but it is a trust, which must continue to support society, because we have long ago reached the point where we support wealth that will not even trouble to support its own defense... Property is not a right, but a reward... It is not absolute, but a trust, and a good for a good... We all must benefit, and demand benefit.. And we should recognize that hereditary wealth is hereditary political power, and it steers the government where it would without any consideration for public good... And we must choose whether we will see this situation deteriorate into some grizzly end... Hereditary wealth means hereditary government even while that has been so often been proven intolerable... We need equality...
BrightNoon wrote:An economy cannot have an objective. 'Economy' is an abtract concept, not an entity with goals and motivations. What I said was that 'my economy' (i.e. free market capitalism) is not directed toward an objective: i.e. the progress of the economy is not being directed by legislation or dictatorial fiat. The course of the free market is a function of the natural and free interactions between soveriegn individuals, doing as they wish with what they own.
The course of an economy under any other system is a function of the desires of a leader, board of experts, etc, in so far as those desires are compatible with reality of course. In any kind of collectivist system, whether you like to call it fascism, communism or feudalism, some entity, the national government, the local soviet, the feudal lord, et alia direct the market toward a goal they have selected: 10% more cotton production, 4% lower unemployment, etc.
Historically, fascism is accompanied by some sort of central plannning: rationing, price or wage controls, government production goals and standards, etc. The ideal of fascism is that the individual should be sublimated for the national interest. Allowing a free market economy to function would be antithetical to this ideal. For example, a 'speculator' or 'hoarder' might be acting against the national interest (as determined by the government) and treated accordingingly: assets seized, killed, etc. Go read about Italy and Germany in the thirties and during the Second World War. In fact, please read anything before you post again.
Economy is a moral concept, which is to say, not a physical one, but as with all concepts, it is an abstraction, and yet, very general as with all moral concepts...I have been trying to learn to Greek, and one of the first words I learned was Okois, House... And it is from this word that we get economy... Essentially, house management; since every household must manage its resources against its desires...So, while economy is an abstraction, the reality it abstracts is still as real as it has always been, so it has a object as well as a subject...
Now, I need to move on today; but I would say that I have been reading: The German Catastophe by Friedrich Meinecke, and economis who holds an opinion advanced by others that the competing forces in society for some time have been nationalism and socialism; but that, because of a certain retardation of devolpement in Germany these both came to the fore at nearly the same moment in time...
On the other hand, to assume every society that sublimates individual will to community survival is fascist, is wrong... Fascism is a particular form of tyranny, and in the instances we know of it, combining nationalism with socialism it was neither national, nor socialistic, but internationist, and anti socialist... There are many reasons that people surrender a part of their individual will to others...All people do it to a degree for every relationship.. Every form of relationship demands a sacrifice and self is the usual victim... But economy demands the same thing... No one can have it all, and everyone, even the most powerful in society, must give something of their wealth and power to have what they want of the relationship...If you want want a model for fascism, look to feudalism, as that was what it was: Industrial feudalism...