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Should you follow god or satan?

 
 
DJMaux
 
Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 06:30 am
Read this first (taken off of a fake clickbank affiliate site):
[INDENT]There has always been this question that if God requires us to believe in his Son Jesus Christ to be saved in order to enter into heaven for eternity, then why is it that he allows Satan to deceive much more people away from him instead of compelling more people to be saved instead? Wouldn't God end up with a lot less people with him in heaven while much more are in hell? Well the answer to this mystery is found in understanding the higher purpose that earth was created for in response to heaven's event.

There was a time in heaven where God existed with all his angels in perfect glory and harmony. All the angels worshiped and gave glory to The Lord who is The Most High among them. But then there came a time where the one angel who was next to The Most High in glory started questioning the word of The Most High. This angel was Helel/Lucifer who was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. He reasoned that all other beings could be like The Most High and therefore he sought to change heaven's state.

At first Lucifer felt that he was the only one in heaven who perceived this higher truth of God. He believed that he was the first to awaken and now his purpose was to spread this awareness to the other Sons of God to awaken them as well. What Lucifer perceived wasn't a higher truth that The Most High had hidden, but it was his own corruption of his wisdom by reasoning about his own glory that created a delusion. This delusion was the higher truth that Lucifer spread to all the angels of heaven as well.

Using the perception of subjective reality, Lucifer reasoned that there was only one consciousness in every individual being of the universe. Therefore there was no need to acknowledge a particular being as The Most High or to worship it as so. He believed that The Lord is an aspect of himself that had the highest place within his consciousness, but that he himself could ascend into that place as well if he willed to do so. In order to do so, he had to free all other aspects of himself to this possibility.

Since consciousness is a collective whole, you can create something for yourself by wishing it for everyone else as well. In order to experience wealth, you have to wish wealth for everybody and not just for some people. You have to wish happiness, freedom, love and anything good that you desire for everyone else if you wish it for yourself because everyone is a part of your consciousness. The universe makes up your total self. That is why Lucifer sought to enlighten Godhood for every other being in heaven.

The difference between original Godhood and Lucifer's new version of Godhood is that, in original Godhood everyone is part of God but The Lord is the highest of all. Whereas in Lucifer's version, everyone can be like The Most High and this displaces the sovereignty of The Lord. This half truth and half error is the essence of Satan's doctrine about Godhood although in Satan's perspective, it is the Lord whose perception is half true and half false. This battle of will between two perspectives is the split.

When there was one perspective of Godhood, now there are two. There was a fight of reason and perception within consciousness for a period of nonlinear time which could have spanned eons until finally Lucifer managed to win one third of heaven's angels to his point of view. The two sides had made up their mind what their stance was, and so there came the great battle where Lucifer led his side to challenge the power of The Most High. It turned out that Lucifer lost and his side was removed from heaven.

Lucifer wasn't removed from heaven as a whole but only from certain planes and places in it. He was cast out of the highest realms into the lower ones. The Lord judged Satan and his angels for treason and sentenced them to the lake of fire for eternity but Satan appealed his case by stating how could a loving God cast his creatures into hell and still be loving. The Lord decided to use Lucifer's accusation to prove the integrity of his character by creating Earth and Man with the angels witnessing the drama.

In heaven time was nonlinear, meaning events could happen in non sequential order. Beings could consider all possibilities before making a decision. Therefore when angels chose their stance of whose perspective to believe in, their decision was an eternal one. The Lord created physicality as a more confined dimension with the nature of time being linear so that Man who was created with lesser awareness, could make decisions and change them again and again until they die. Life on Earth is just a test.

It was a test to see if Man would choose to believe God or Satan. As above so below, the same scenario that occurred in heaven was now to be replicated on Earth. The difference this time was that God would make a way to spare those that sin against him from his judgment. He proved that a loving God could punish and still be loving by sending his Son Jesus Christ to die for the sins of humanity. Hence the world was divided into two sides, those who believed The Lord and those who believed not in him.

Satan deceives the whole world by his doctrine of Godhood being made available for all without need for worshiping a single most high personality. That is why the bible says that Satan is the god of this world. The reality of heaven and earth are inverse. In heaven, there are more beings believing The Lord is Most High because two third of the angels remained faithful. On the Earth, there're more beings believing in God and the universe without recognizing The Lord as God Most High. This is the dual divinity.

This inverse reality is the reason why those of us Christians who believe in The Lord feel that there are so few of us who know the truth compared to the vast majority who don't. It is the same way Satan felt when he first formulated his delusion in heaven. In heaven, Satan and his angels rebelled against the concept of God given by The Lord. On Earth, we rebel against the concept of God given by Satan. The difference between the two rebellions is that the first rebellion is unholy while the second is righteous.

God doesn't worry that there will be less with him in heaven than those in hell. Earth was created as part of heaven's plan. We are the second creation. This creation wouldn't have been necessary if it wasn't for what happened in the first. That is why people always feel we are part of a bigger picture. There are more with us among the stars than those who are not. Those of us who are in Christ together with the angels of The Most High will make a far greater company in heaven than those who are in hell.
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Ok so. Based on this story should you follow god or satan?
The answer is Satan!!
Now primerily god is good and satan is evil.
But this story is a test.
If you look carfully in the story god is evil and satan is good.
God is evil because god cast satan into the lake of fire for questioning him.
In the story god wants everyone to worship him without question.
Sound familar? God is the wolf in sheeps clothing! God wants to be worshiped as the most powerful.
Where as satan says that we are all god and deserve to be the most high in heaven.
Basicly its simple. Religious idiots read the story and are tricked.
They say I will follow god no matter what. But in the story god is evil so if you pick god in the story you obviously dont understand love.
Someone with an ounce of intelligence will realise that in the story god is hiding as satan/lucifer and lucifer/satan is hiding as god.
This story makes fools of millions of people. Its almost childishly simple.
What a test. Would you follow god even if god is evil? (in this story)
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Joe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 07:03 am
@DJMaux,
lol, your talking about Satanism. Actually some interesting view points from satanists. Some derive their teachings from Sumerian text. Which is like the oldest stuff out there.

I guess If i believed this stuff I would join the Illuminati, because thats supposedly what they religiously believe in. That Lucifer is actually the savior and all that.
DJMaux
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 07:24 am
@Joe,
Ahh now you see this is why so many people are confused.
In basic form...God is good and satan is evil.
So basicly you should follow god not satan. The illuminati follow satan IN PRIMAL FORM NOT THE SATAN IN THE STORY..This is wrong because god is who you should follow.
BUT in this story the roles are reversed.
SO...you should follow god not satan..BUT in the story satan is god and god is satan so by following satan you are actually following god..
Do you understand me?

Also the illuminati are are bunch of idiots. They follow the path of evil thinking they are really smart but a true satanist actually follows the path of love not evil. Being a satanist is supossed to mean being smart and questioning everything, not being a sheep. Being a satanist is about being empowered NOT being evil.
Any satanist who is evil doesnt understand.

Sorry about so many posts but one last point.
God has made fools of everyone because the illuminati follow satan (the evil satan not the good one in the story) and christians/catholics etc follow the evil god.(the one in the story)
So there is an evil god, an evil satan, a good god and a good satan.
Confused? You shouldnt be!!!!
Its a trap basicly to test people. You should follow good in what ever form it takes not pick god or satan..
William
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 07:52 am
@DJMaux,
Interesting story. Believe it or not, IMO, there is a lot of truth to what it is efforting to put forth. It's method sucks, though. To get at the truth you have to get away from religious interpretations and speak in a language that all will hear. That is not easy to do and I have spent my life trying to do just that. To find a hearing ear as to the point this story is trying to make considering the ingrained beliefs as they are, will be about as successful as pushing a camel through the eye of a needle. Not going to happen my friend.
William
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Joe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 08:52 am
@DJMaux,
DJMaux wrote:
Also the illuminati are are bunch of idiots. They follow the path of evil thinking they are really smart but a true satanist actually follows the path of love not evil. Being a satanist is supossed to mean being smart and questioning everything, not being a sheep. Being a satanist is about being empowered NOT being evil.
Any satanist who is evil doesnt understand.



Well I guess i would have to argue that any person believing in Satanism does not consider them selves evil. Even if they commit evil acts. Same goes for god. No one ever says "I'm evil". What religion does is place worth of some over others. No matter who is worshiped, its seems that its pretty much whatever structure vibrates in a person more, is what they follow. When you begin to let go of religion, you can appreciate all the different angles each religion encompasses. I dont think all of them put together have enough wisdom to progress human nature.
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Icon
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 12:15 pm
@DJMaux,
If this is your sole point for worshiping Satan over God then you have a WHOLE lot of reading to do my friend.

Just because a story calls it truth doesn't mean that it is. If I told you that you could beat cancer by jumping off the empire state building nude, in a ball of inward pointing railrod spikes, I would be telling the truth. Cancer would die with the rest of you... You sure beat it.

Truth is perception. The mind is all that is real.
DJMaux
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 03:23 pm
@Icon,
No i dont worship satan I follow god. I was simply stating that that story is a trap to test people and see if they would still follow god even if god was wrong and satan was right. I understand its just a story.
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nameless
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 03:55 pm
@DJMaux,
DJMaux;43932 wrote:
Should you follow god or satan?

"Unless you are the lead dog, the 'scenery' never changes!"
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 04:45 pm
@nameless,
From the Above Story wrote:
There has always been this question that if God requires us to believe in his Son Jesus Christ to be saved in order to enter into heaven for eternity, then why is it that he allows Satan to deceive much more people away from him instead of compelling more people to be saved instead?


What if you reject the notion that one must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be "saved"? If we do, the whole of the problem evaporates.

As for Satan, his role in tempting man is vital. It's a natural part of human life: the temptation do act other than we should.

Presenting Satan in a favorable light is part of Milton's great work Paradise Lost.
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Justin
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 04:46 pm
@DJMaux,
For a moment, let's put into perspective why the post was written. This is an article leading into a membership website. They've actually become very popular for making money online and this is one of them. Here's an excerpt from the actual site itself:

PS: I know you can hardly wait to find out what is inside the Mind Reality Website. So why not grab your membership right now? If you start reading today, your life tomorrow and the the following years will never be the same again!
PPS: I can't guarantee how long the super low price of Mind Reality Membership is going to last. Due to High demand, I'm about to RAISE the price to $79.95 soon and if you come back later and find that the price has been raised, there's nothing I can do about it. More people would still be eagerly joining Mind Reality even at a higher price anyway, but your ONLY Chance to get in at a lower price is WHILE it's right before you. This is your FINAL Chance to Get in at the LOWEST PRICE you'll ever find of $29.95! So Click on the Link to grab it before it's too late!

The objective in all this is to create fear to prompt a member to purchase a product. Usually this is done by writing or placing articles to get people to buy a membership and this one is $29.95 a month so read this persons blog. Go figure.

So, knowing the intent of the original article itself, I'd dare say it's mostly bull$#@!. :bigsmile:

Link is removed from original post.
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hue-man
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 07:44 pm
@DJMaux,
DJMaux wrote:
Read this first (taken off of a fake clickbank affiliate site):[INDENT]There has always been this question that if God requires us to believe in his Son Jesus Christ to be saved in order to enter into heaven for eternity, then why is it that he allows Satan to deceive much more people away from him instead of compelling more people to be saved instead? Wouldn't God end up with a lot less people with him in heaven while much more are in hell? Well the answer to this mystery is found in understanding the higher purpose that earth was created for in response to heaven's event.

There was a time in heaven where God existed with all his angels in perfect glory and harmony. All the angels worshiped and gave glory to The Lord who is The Most High among them. But then there came a time where the one angel who was next to The Most High in glory started questioning the word of The Most High. This angel was Helel/Lucifer who was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. He reasoned that all other beings could be like The Most High and therefore he sought to change heaven's state.

At first Lucifer felt that he was the only one in heaven who perceived this higher truth of God. He believed that he was the first to awaken and now his purpose was to spread this awareness to the other Sons of God to awaken them as well. What Lucifer perceived wasn't a higher truth that The Most High had hidden, but it was his own corruption of his wisdom by reasoning about his own glory that created a delusion. This delusion was the higher truth that Lucifer spread to all the angels of heaven as well.

Using the perception of subjective reality, Lucifer reasoned that there was only one consciousness in every individual being of the universe. Therefore there was no need to acknowledge a particular being as The Most High or to worship it as so. He believed that The Lord is an aspect of himself that had the highest place within his consciousness, but that he himself could ascend into that place as well if he willed to do so. In order to do so, he had to free all other aspects of himself to this possibility.

Since consciousness is a collective whole, you can create something for yourself by wishing it for everyone else as well. In order to experience wealth, you have to wish wealth for everybody and not just for some people. You have to wish happiness, freedom, love and anything good that you desire for everyone else if you wish it for yourself because everyone is a part of your consciousness. The universe makes up your total self. That is why Lucifer sought to enlighten Godhood for every other being in heaven.

The difference between original Godhood and Lucifer's new version of Godhood is that, in original Godhood everyone is part of God but The Lord is the highest of all. Whereas in Lucifer's version, everyone can be like The Most High and this displaces the sovereignty of The Lord. This half truth and half error is the essence of Satan's doctrine about Godhood although in Satan's perspective, it is the Lord whose perception is half true and half false. This battle of will between two perspectives is the split.

When there was one perspective of Godhood, now there are two. There was a fight of reason and perception within consciousness for a period of nonlinear time which could have spanned eons until finally Lucifer managed to win one third of heaven's angels to his point of view. The two sides had made up their mind what their stance was, and so there came the great battle where Lucifer led his side to challenge the power of The Most High. It turned out that Lucifer lost and his side was removed from heaven.

Lucifer wasn't removed from heaven as a whole but only from certain planes and places in it. He was cast out of the highest realms into the lower ones. The Lord judged Satan and his angels for treason and sentenced them to the lake of fire for eternity but Satan appealed his case by stating how could a loving God cast his creatures into hell and still be loving. The Lord decided to use Lucifer's accusation to prove the integrity of his character by creating Earth and Man with the angels witnessing the drama.

In heaven time was nonlinear, meaning events could happen in non sequential order. Beings could consider all possibilities before making a decision. Therefore when angels chose their stance of whose perspective to believe in, their decision was an eternal one. The Lord created physicality as a more confined dimension with the nature of time being linear so that Man who was created with lesser awareness, could make decisions and change them again and again until they die. Life on Earth is just a test.

It was a test to see if Man would choose to believe God or Satan. As above so below, the same scenario that occurred in heaven was now to be replicated on Earth. The difference this time was that God would make a way to spare those that sin against him from his judgment. He proved that a loving God could punish and still be loving by sending his Son Jesus Christ to die for the sins of humanity. Hence the world was divided into two sides, those who believed The Lord and those who believed not in him.

Satan deceives the whole world by his doctrine of Godhood being made available for all without need for worshiping a single most high personality. That is why the bible says that Satan is the god of this world. The reality of heaven and earth are inverse. In heaven, there are more beings believing The Lord is Most High because two third of the angels remained faithful. On the Earth, there're more beings believing in God and the universe without recognizing The Lord as God Most High. This is the dual divinity.

This inverse reality is the reason why those of us Christians who believe in The Lord feel that there are so few of us who know the truth compared to the vast majority who don't. It is the same way Satan felt when he first formulated his delusion in heaven. In heaven, Satan and his angels rebelled against the concept of God given by The Lord. On Earth, we rebel against the concept of God given by Satan. The difference between the two rebellions is that the first rebellion is unholy while the second is righteous.

God doesn't worry that there will be less with him in heaven than those in hell. Earth was created as part of heaven's plan. We are the second creation. This creation wouldn't have been necessary if it wasn't for what happened in the first. That is why people always feel we are part of a bigger picture. There are more with us among the stars than those who are not. Those of us who are in Christ together with the angels of The Most High will make a far greater company in heaven than those who are in hell.
[/INDENT]_______________________________________________

Ok so. Based on this story should you follow god or satan?
The answer is Satan!!
Now primerily god is good and satan is evil.
But this story is a test.
If you look carfully in the story god is evil and satan is good.
God is evil because god cast satan into the lake of fire for questioning him.
In the story god wants everyone to worship him without question.
Sound familar? God is the wolf in sheeps clothing! God wants to be worshiped as the most powerful.
Where as satan says that we are all god and deserve to be the most high in heaven.
Basicly its simple. Religious idiots read the story and are tricked.
They say I will follow god no matter what. But in the story god is evil so if you pick god in the story you obviously dont understand love.
Someone with an ounce of intelligence will realise that in the story god is hiding as satan/lucifer and lucifer/satan is hiding as god.
This story makes fools of millions of people. Its almost childishly simple.
What a test. Would you follow god even if god is evil? (in this story)


You should follow neither. Both are characters are mythological fairytales.
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