Subjective Experience

... I think to say that there is a "limitless supply of SEs" is to imply something that isn't there ... there is no such limitless supply ... there are only the subjective experiences of individual life processes - subjective experience cannot exist in the absence of a life process ... and what is the causal reason for life processes to exist? ... perhaps you won't agree with my answer, but here it is: thermodynamic disequilibrium - it's the driving force behind a large number of self-organizing processes, to include life ...

... but rather there has to be some reason, in a causally closed environment, that my SE was formed. For why is my SE not someone else's? or even a different species of creature at that? or why now? why not 500 years ago or 500 years later?

Hi all,

Something seems to be miss here, subjective experience is a biological readout, thus, reality is what your biology says it is, different biology different readout. your subjective experience is apparent reality, in order to simulate that apparent reality you would need to simulate your biology-----no?

... quite right ... my mistake was that I thought the question being posed by K was to the effect that if you were to somehow record every atom of my being and then after I die create an exact duplicate of me - would that duplicate be me? ...

paulhanke,

In essence yes, but, you would be a totally different personality, in essence we are all the same, it is only through our experience in making our way through the world that we gain an identity. That is not to say in saying we are all the same in essence, that there is not some variation to our constitutions, but if every atom was replicated then that constitution I would think would be intact. Consciousness in its essence is anonymous, our experience is what we come to believe we are as an individual/identity. If you were identical in your reconstruction, in order to be the same person your experience of your environment would have to be duplicate as well, and seeing as change is constant in the physcial world, that would be an impossiability.

To what extent are you saying the new "me" and the old "me" are the same? For I am not interested in the illusion of the self (if that is what you are implying) but rather the pure subjective experience of consciousness.



kielicious,

"The pure subjective experience", what do you mean by this, do you mean what is pure consciousness? Pure consciousness without the contemplation of the physcial world as its object does not have an identity, it is anonymous even unto itself. So, there would be nothing really to state. "The self in one, is the self in all." Upanishads There simply is no distinctions between one self and that of another. The soul function of a subjective consciousness, a self, is to merge with its object the physcial world, only then does it acquire identity, and forgets it anonymous nature. You cannot have a subjective experience without the physical world, and that my friend, is your everyday experience.

To paulhanke: I applaud your patience with me.

kielicious,

"The pure subjective experience", what do you mean by this, do you mean what is pure consciousness? Pure consciousness without the contemplation of the physcial world as its object does not have an identity, it is anonymous even unto itself. So, there would be nothing really to state. "The self in one, is the self in all." Upanishads There simply is no distinctions between one self and that of another. The soul function of a subjective consciousness, a self, is to merge with its object the physcial world, only then does it acquire identity, and forgets it anonymous nature. You cannot have a subjective experience without the physical world, and that my friend, is your everyday experience.