@Justin,
Justin;40389 wrote:These were the guys who usually wore black, usually had tattoos, usually got into trouble, and usually were smokers not to mention the lack or responsibility when it came to school.
And most of my friends in high school who listened to metal went to ivy league schools. Most of my friends listened to the same music I did, they all went on to great schools and to have good careers and families. One wonders how they overcame their musical exposure.
Quote:So Aedes, you are defending the metal but there's a reason you don't listen to it like you used to?
Yeah, it's been 20 years. I dated a classical musician throughout college and got very interested in classical music and opera by going to her concerts and listening to what she liked. Since then I've been exposed to and become interested in a lot of classic rock, indie music, and world music. And I still listen to metal but only when I'm lifting weights.
Quote:Is that because you are older, more mature and have a family and responsibilities?
No -- my tastes changed. I'm overall less interested in pop culture than I used to be. I watched "Solid Gold" and listened to the Top 40 when I was a kid. I've never once turned on American Idol, but I'd have loved it when I was 12. I read Stephen King in high school, but I haven't read a single novel of his since.
Quote:If you had fed your mind with metal and rap all these years do you think for a moment it would have changed who you are today?
Not in the slightest. What I listen to does not make me who I am.
Pangloss;40400 wrote:Music certainly is subjective. A definition I like is, simply, "sound that is pleasing to the ear" is music...you might even go further and say it is "beautiful sound"
So if you like the sound of a falling rock, it's music? Such a definition essentially nullifies the point of having the word
music to begin with.
Music, first and foremost, is human. Secondly, it is deliberate. Thirdly, it is auditory. Fourthly, it is abstract -- its ability to convey ideas is not an essential part of its definition.
Human music resembles almost nothing in nature. Tonal music and rhythms are wholly unnatural sounds, and it was only with musical impressionism in the last ~150 years that the effort to imitate nature arose.
Quote:You can try to argue and convince us otherwise; so far, you have not provided any evidence to convince me that I have misunderstood the general concepts and themes used in rap and metal to be mostly negative.
You have not provided evidence that you mean anything specific with the word "negative". And by the way, 1980s pop music
a la Paula Abdul and Tiffany and the Petshop Boys and Culture Club may have been "positive" by your definition, but that doesn't exempt it from being crap either. So unless you're willing to give a blanket acceptance of all "positive" music as good, then you have no business giving a blanket charge of all "negative" music as bad.
