Metallica - All Nightmare Long

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Justin wrote:

Thanks Joe. The statement above actually answers the question in it's entirety. This is exactly what others would ask when they wanted to put Snoop Dog music on the forum.

I'm changing the title of this thread to reflect the actual content and then moving it into new member questions forum with a descriptive heading.

Hey Justin

So I guess what we are talking about here is the subject of the music and or video. I understand that you dont want to open the flood gates. So I will post the lyrics of the song and the philosophical outlines of the video. If this still does not warrant your admission of the video, I will accept it. lol:surrender:

"All Nightmare Long" by Metallica

(One, two...)

Luck runs out.

Crawl from the wreckage one more time,
Horrific memory twists the mind,
Dark, rutted (rugged?), cold and hard to turn,
Path of destruction, feel it burn.

Still life,
Incarnation,
Still life,
Infamy.

Hallucination,
Heresy,
Still you run,
What's to come?
What's to be?

'Cause we'll hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down All Nightmare Long,
Feel us breathe upon your face,
Feel our shift, every move we trace.

Hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down all nightmare long, yeah.
Luck runs...
And you crawl out again,
But your luck runs out.

(One, two...)

Luck runs out.

The light that is not light is here
To flush you out with your own fear,
You hide, you hide,
But will be found,
Release your grip without a sound,

Still life,
Immolation,
Still life,
Infamy.

Hallucination,
Heresy,
Still you run,
What's to come?
What's to be?

'Cause we'll hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down all nightmare long,
Feel us breathe upon your face,
Feel our shift, every move we trace.

Hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down all nightmare long, yeah.
Luck runs...
And you crawl out again,
But your luck runs out.

(Solo #1)

(Solo #2)

Then you crawl back in,
Into your obsession,
Never to return,
This is your confession.

Hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down all nightmare long.
Feel us breathe upon your face,
Feel our shift, every move we trace.

Hunt you down without mercy,
Hunt you down all nightmare long, yeah.
Luck runs...
And you crawl out again,
But your luck runs out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for the video, here is the link to watch it:
YouTube - Metallica - All Nightmare Long

I think it has plenty of merit as a Philosophical music video. Many undertones of Science, Politics, Ethics, and Logic. With that said, I think your main reasoning for not posting this video is on the assumption that it will bring bad content. I disagree with this method of approval. When one assumes something, it is never thought out very throughly and honestly.

Thanks for listening Justin.

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@Joe,

Sorry, not on this forum. Everyone with a thinking mind has a philosophy and some of these people can even make what others would consider music, that does not mean it is. Again, this is perception.

There are no assumptions here so I think you are mistaking. I disapproved the Metallica video before the forum ever opened so there was very careful thought and consideration to the method of approval.

If you want my opinion, this is not music and I don't think the lyrics are anything special or inspiring. It may mean something or have an underlying meaning but then again, everything does. This video can stay here for discussion but not in the Video section of the forum.

Likewise, thanks for listening and understanding.

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@Joe,

I like Metallica well enough, but honestly the lyrics in this song are pretty vapid. In fact I can't really think of a Metallica song in which they're particularly meaningful, though as the group has aged their lyrics have become a bit less blunt and a bit more poetic.

Listen to some Tom Waits or some Bob Dylan if you want stunning songwriting with multi-layered messages and ideas.

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@Joe,

I though that older Metallica at times had decent lyrics (especially some songs on ...And Justice for All). Honestly with lyrics like this and the failed attempt on Metallica's part to relive their glory days, I wish they would retire already.

"The light that is not light is here
To flush you out with your own fear,
You hide, you hide,
But will be found,
Release your grip without a sound,"

Seriously, I think some of my peers were writing better poetry by 7th grade.

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@Theaetetus,

On the new album, I like the lyrics in "Unforgiven III", which (like Unforgiven and Unforgiven II) seem like a giant metaphor. I'm ok with not exactly knowing what a song is about as long as there is poetry to it. I mean music does not HAVE to communicate ideas -- it's more charged with communicating emotion.

...And Justice for All is hardly "older" Metallica, I mean the group had been around for 6 years and made 3 previous albums by then. The lyrics on that album are more political than any other of theirs, but they're not subtle. I mean "Eye of the Beholder", "Blackened", "...And Justice for All", there is very little subtlety -- and a lot of anger.

But again, they've got nothing on the superlative songwriting of some other artists. I mean of popular modern rock groups they don't even touch Radiohead, or U2, or even Nirvana.

And then think about some of the really superlative ones:

"Ain't it just like the night to play
tricks when you're trying to be so quiet.
We sit here stranded
though we're all doing our best to deny it.
And Louise holds her hand full of rain
tempting you to defy it.
Lights flicker from the opposite loft,
in this room the heat pipes just cough,
the country music station plays soft,
but there's nothing really nothing to turn off..."

Bob Dylan (Visions of Johanna)

I mean who is better at telling a story and setting a scene than that?? Amazing.

Or:
"All night long on the broken glass
livin in a medicine chest
mediteromanian hotel back
sprawled across a roll top desk
the monkey rode the blade on an
overhead fan
they paint the donkey blue if you pay
I got a telephone call from Istanbul
my baby's coming home today"

Tom Waits (Telephone Call from Istanbul)

Or:
"When I was just a little young boy,
Papa said son, you'll never get far,
Tell you the reason, if you wanna know,
Cause child of mine, there isn't really far to go."

Grateful Dead (Dupree's Diamond Blues)

Point is, the ideas are a bit obscure, but they're delivered with poetry and poignancy. Fortunately for these three songs, the music is great too.

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@Joe,

I am a huge Tom Waits and Dylan fan and I love lyrics that are poetic--especially when the accompanying music is good as well.

My only point though was that ...And Justice for All had lyrics that served a purpose even if they were too transparent. They definitely rose above this garbage from their new song "My Apocalypse".
"Mangled flesh, snapping spine
Dripping bloody valentine
Shattered face, spitting glass."

I can't help but think of the kid that sits by himself in 4th grade because he picks his nose all the time, and then him writing this poem into a Valentines Day card for the girl he secretly has a crush on.

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@Theaetetus,

Metallica does not dive that deep into the soul when it comes to poetry. The reason I think people appreciate the band and their music, is the pictures they paint as a whole. They put out a symbol and it reflects very cleanly.

To say that Someones elses music is deeper, and therefore more meaningful, well if that were true, then it would be perfect.

Nothing is actually more meaningful, its all perception. I would say that Metallica's image requires little, in depth, perception.

By the way, The basis of this video has to do with some Russian event that caused an environmental stir and questioning. Its sort of like their Area 51.

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@Joe,

If I might add a codger's perspective. I am not a fan of metallica and to be honest this is the first time I have ever been exposed to any of their music, if you want to call it that. Now that I have, I don't consider it music. Sorry. What I do know is the age of those who are listening to it, and that is what I think must be addressed. Not all have the astute understanding many have on this forum and could easily, in the drug induced state many are in who listen to this type of "noise", (as I hear it), miss any deeper meaning it is trying to put forth. There are other ways to communicate, and , as far as I am concerned, this is not one of them.

William

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@Joe,

William,
It's not for everyone, and it certainly doesn't appeal to me the same way in 2008 that it did 20 years ago when I first started listening to them. I'm a 34 year old parent now, but I still listen to them every now and then and I even know how to play one of their new songs on guitar. So don't assume that you know anything (let alone everything) about their fans -- I'm not some angry teenager (and I wasn't angry even when I was a teenager).

I have very diverse musical interests, though, and believe me it's possible for one rational person who has never used drugs once in his life to like Metallica, to like other thrash metal, but also be a huge fan of opera, of classical music in general, of various kinds of world music, and many other genera of rock music. I've already brought up Waits and Dylan, but I also love Verdi, Mahler, Bruckner, Mozart, Dvorak, and many others.

Another thing you might keep in mind that Metallica has much musically better songs than the ones discussed here. I can't listen to so-called "death metal", which is much more extreme than Metallica, it's just too much. But keep in mind that much of the appeal of heavy metal is the energy that it channels -- and that in itself is a kind of emotional expression.

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@Aedes,

Aedes wrote:

William,
It's not for everyone, and it certainly doesn't appeal to me the same way in 2008 that it did 20 years ago when I first started listening to them. I'm a 34 year old parent now, but I still listen to them every now and then and I even know how to play one of their new songs on guitar. So don't assume that you know anything (let alone everything) about their fans -- I'm not some angry teenager (and I wasn't angry even when I was a teenager).

I have very diverse musical interests, though, and believe me it's possible for one rational person who has never used drugs once in his life to like Metallica, to like other thrash metal, but also be a huge fan of opera, of classical music in general, of various kinds of world music, and many other genera of rock music. I've already brought up Waits and Dylan, but I also love Verdi, Mahler, Bruckner, Mozart, Dvorak, and many others.

Another thing you might keep in mind that Metallica has much musically better songs than the ones discussed here. I can't listen to so-called "death metal", which is much more extreme than Metallica, it's just too much. But keep in mind that much of the appeal of heavy metal is the energy that it channels -- and that in itself is a kind of emotional expression.

I didn't say eveyone. If you will note, I excluded those "astute individuals" that are on the forum. That includes you. You have to remember, the large majority of Metallica's audience are very young and extremely naive and can be more prone to misinterpret any deeper meaning especially when delivered the way metallica is delivering it and the environment of those venues in which one can hear them personally. I am not familiar with all their work, I was only making an observation to this one piece. It has been my understanding and limited observation in that I have never been to a rock concert in my life, that to be drug induced is part of the regimen. I think, IMO, that might be the catalyst for that "emotional energy" you speak of. If that is indeed what it takes to "get into" their genre, I would just as soon pass. Again, I am not talking to you personally. It is a broad perspecive and yet I could be wrong. Smile

William

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@William,

Drugs are part of it, but I'd bet you that drugs were a much bigger part of the folk music scene in 1962, and much more common among fans of Joan Baez and Pete Seeger than they are among Metallica fans. Metallica has sold more records than the Beatles, I mean they're very much mainstream. And while drug use is lamentably high among young people today, I think it's probably NOT accurate to assume that this is the rule and not the exception among fans of this group.

Also, to be sure, Metallica is not a group that has been associated with drugs and a drug culture. Their song "Master of Puppets", which is on their third album that came out in 1986, is one of their 3 or 4 best known songs and it's a patently anti-drug song.

This is different than many other groups from the 1980s that were just overtly into presenting an image of excess and debauchery, including drugs.

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@Joe,

I would say that once upon a time Metallica's fans were all young, but now that the band members are approaching 50, I would say most of their fans have aged with them. Based on the fact that their new album seems to be a mid-life crisis of sorts, they seem to want to reconnect with the youth again.

William, as a fan of higher orders or rock and even some heavy metal, I don't think it is fair to assume that drugs are a part of the regimen. While it is not categorically false, it is not categorically true either. Sure, some rock musicians do use drugs, but so do some stockbrokers, lawyers, doctors, businessmen, and all other professions.

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@Joe,

Of the two new videos (from Death Magnetic, that is), you chose All Nightmare Long? The Day that Never Comes would have provided more for discussion.

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@Joe,

Aedes and Theaetetus
I will concede and hope your are correct in you assessments. But as far as "music", I must disagree' as far as my ears are concerned, it a lot of noise. No offense meant, I don't like opera either. I admire the vocal talents offered by opera singers and marvel at their talents, but that's the extent of it. I wouldn't pay to go to an opera. In my younger days I did like "The Steve Miller Band and Lynyrd Skynyrd", but I was also expermenting with pot at the time too. When I gave up the pot, I gave up the genre too. Go figure. I am using that personal experience to draw my conclusions as to my associations of that genre and the drug culture. Like I said, I hope you are right.

William

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@William,

William -- what DO you like? :perplexed:

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@Aedes,

Aedes wrote:

William -- what DO you like? :perplexed:

I hope you are referring to music. I hope I am not coming across that pessimestic in my posts, though I can understand why one would think that.
William

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@William,

William wrote:

If I might add a codger's perspective. I am not a fan of metallica and to be honest this is the first time I have ever been exposed to any of their music, if you want to call it that. Now that I have, I don't consider it music. Sorry. What I do know is the age of those who are listening to it, and that is what I think must be addressed. Not all have the astute understanding many have on this forum and could easily, in the drug induced state many are in who listen to this type of "noise", (as I hear it), miss any deeper meaning it is trying to put forth. There are other ways to communicate, and , as far as I am concerned, this is not one of them.

William

Lol, i respect your Dislike. Although sir, Im not sure I understand when you say music is too loud.:eek: Also your harsh words to-wards my experimenting with chemicals looking for no meaning at all. My head banging is a meditation to, fast, piercing, vibrations.:band:

So here we are at a fork in the road. Never an easy decision for people. lol. Or how bout we make no decision at all.........~~~~~~HAIL METALLICA~~~~~~

Out with the old, in with the.........

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@Joe,

Joe wrote:

Lol, i respect your Dislike. Although sir, Im not sure I understand when you say music is too loud.:eek: Also your harsh words to-wards my experimenting with chemicals looking for no meaning at all. My head banging is a meditation to, fast, piercing, vibrations.:band:

So here we are at a fork in the road. Never an easy decision for people. lol. Or how bout we make no decision at all.........~~~~~~HAIL METALLICA~~~~~~

Out with the old, in with the.........

If you don't mind Joe, if I might interate what I actually said. I did not say any music was loud. I just commented, as far as my tastes are concerned, Metallica is not music, it's noise. It just so happens their music, if I am not mistaken, is loud. Noise is noise. As far as "harsh words", please in what respect were they harsh? I just made a statement. One of which I think I am reasonably correct speaking from a broad perspective. Yet, still it is my perspective and as I mentioned in that I have no definitive percentages to use that would indeed make it fact, I clearly noted I could be wrong. As far as your "head banging", be by guest. It's your head.

William

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@William,

William wrote:

If you don't mind Joe, if I might interate what I actually said. I did not say any music was loud. I just commented, as far as my tastes are concerned, Metallica is not music, it's noise. It just so happens their music, if I am not mistaken, is loud. Noise is noise. As far as "harsh words", please in what respect were they harsh? I just made a statement. One of which I think I am reasonably correct speaking from a broad perspective. Yet, still it is my perspective and as I mentioned in that I have no definitive percentages to use that would indeed make it fact, I clearly noted I could be wrong. As far as your "head banging", be by guest. It's your head.

Hey William,

Ill start by saying that you dont like Metallica. I understand this fact. it is the end all of this conversation. But I must also address, that I am confused on what you think is music. Does it include Instruments that exude tones and vibrations? Does it include Vocals or Lyrics? What is music to you? Not what you prefer in music but what it is.

I will acknowledge that I feel on the defense here based on your statements that my age and astuteness factor in with music. I am also willing to discuss with you the disassociation you might feel towards difference. In the end it is indeed opinion and taste, but I also believe there are motives behind some of your statements. Care to address?

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@Joe,

Joe wrote:

Hey William,

Ill start by saying that you dont like Metallica. I understand this fact. it is the end all of this conversation. But I must also address, that I am confused on what you think is music. Does it include Instruments that exude tones and vibrations? Does it include Vocals or Lyrics? What is music to you? Not what you prefer in music but what it is.

I will acknowledge that I feel on the defense here based on your statements that my age and astuteness factor in with music. I am also willing to discuss with you the disassociation you might feel towards difference. In the end it is indeed opinion and taste, but I also believe there are motives behind some of your statements. Care to address?

Hey Joe,
In all due respect, it is not I who is feeling a dissociation toward difference. Your defensive posture is of your own making. You took my honest opinion a little to personally, I think. IMO, you are seeking ammunition as to what I like so you can reciprocate. I gave my reason as to why I did not care for a music genre you personally like and that offended you. At least that is what I am gathering. At any rate, so you will not feel so "defensive", I'll give you the ammunition you seek. First off I am a fan of all types of music, none of which will induce "head banging". Call it a personal taste. Such as The Oak Ridge Boys, Enya, Shania Twain, Slim Whitman, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Isaac Stern, Santa Esmeralda, The Kingston Trio, The Boston Pops, Patsy Cline, Brenda Lee, Jay and the Americans, Roy Orbison, Elvis Presley, Kenny G, Liberace, Boots Randolf, Henry Mancini.......

Now hopefully from this gathering you will be able to arrive at the answer to your first question as to what music is to me. I will let you draw your own conclusions. As far as your age, I have no idea of how old you are. As to my use of the word "astuteness" was for those who are able to gather any deeper meaning the music was attempting to offer. IMO, an astuteness not realize by the majority of those who cater to this particular genre. Again, my opinion. And again, I could be wrong. I don't know that for sure. Though I think it reasonable considering what Wiki defines a "head banging":

"The term "headbanger" was coined during Led Zeppelin's
first US tour in 1968 During a show at the Boston Tea Party, audience members in the first row were banging their heads against the stage in rhythm with the music"

I hope this helps.
William

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