@Khethil,
Hey fellas, great thread! Also I must add, a fine example of how to properly quote posts. Notice that the posters name and a link to their post that is quoted, is in most of these posts thus far in this thread. Thanks again all, that makes it much easier to research and later refer back too!... Now to the original thread topic. :detective:
MITech wrote:We will never know whether or not there is a god or not because we are to stupid to realize whether or not there is one.
As I read through the responses and the original assertion it seems to me that mankind has spent his lifetime in search of a God. Man has lived his life, built his religions, multiplied his wealth, went to war, worked everyday, did something good to his neighbor, wants to go to hell, etc., etc.. Man has dedicated science to understanding the meaning and cause of life and man's very existence. Man started by writing on rocks in caves and then paper and built the mills and created the ink for the books. Then each crazy man throughout history has come up with ideals and estimations and creatively and eventually created a paranormal omnipotent being. We fought about it, we sent our son's to war, we crucified it when in our presence... ... We built towers to find God.. we built planes and automobiles and built the wonders of this very thing we are communicating on right now, the Internet. We've created it all.
All of this and we are all still searching for the meaning of life and the cause of all effect. The one answer that is above all human knowledge... Still here, still in search of the answers. We can calculate the stars 10,000 years in advance but we sit here never realizing or understanding the true nature of our own existence. How about the answers to the greatest questions than has man scoured the world to find but still comes up with nothing?
Are we too stupid?... Makes ya wonder doesn't it. Maybe, just maybe we are God. Slice and dice it however you want to but it's a good possibility that what we've spent our enitre existence in search of, lies at the heart of every man/woman. The idea of God being a big man in a place called heaven is only an idea that more folks tend to believe in. If man were to discover the God within himself... maybe he is. Maybe, just maybe our evolution as humans are bringing us closer to discovering that God is not what we thought and believed God is to be.
So in a nutshell, I'd have to say yes, most people would be too stupid to recognize God if God himself were standing before them, (if in fact God is a him at all). We've believed in the words of another man from long ago...
MITech wrote:Let me put it to everyone this way.........
If we assume that god (our creater), is capable of doing anything as in influencing time, space and existence.
And then all of a sudden we encounter this "god". How do we know that this is the real god. It could be an alien race that actually created us.
Exactly. If Jesus was in fact truth and God at the same time, all those searching had God standing before them and we crucified God. It's truly amazing the stuff we come up with but the devout Christian would not recognize God if God were sitting next them in the pew at church. That's what's funny about this all.
Once we recognize that the God man has created is NEVER going to be truly found... It cannot... it's an idea!... and we further recognize creation is an integral part of man and that God we spend our lives wanting to recognize is right there in our sons, daughters, employers, friends, strangers, presidents, enemies, .. and on and on. When you can see God in others is when we'll recognize God.... Whatever you may want to call him her or it. :bigsmile:
MITech wrote:So if we are actually able to encounter a god, it would be impossible because it is impossible to encounter something that is capable of everything.
Capable of everything. Is that the story that we follow? A man, somehow or other incapable of being discovered by man but he's out there and he's watching. He's a jealous God and if you do evil you will die and go to hell... lol. Is this the one we're talking about? The one that is omnipotent and omnipresent?
Do you see my point? From your first sentence in the thread it seems assumed or leading into an idea of a God. Once your committed to that idea it becomes a bottleneck,... IMHO. I'm not badgering you, I'm just bringing this up because I too was under the impression that God is something man CANNOT go near.
So is this the God that is capable? If this God that we've so eloquently created an idea of, were to come down here right now and perform miracles and rise from the dead and all those things... if he were here today and living amongst us... We'd persecute him! God is persecuted daily when we persecute ourselves and others.
Something to think about.
MITech wrote:So why have everyone wonder whether or not there is such thing as a god when it would be impossible to know.
Again, if you fall into the belief that God is something that is impossible to know, then of course that naturally becomes your reality. Take a look around you and see the extraordinary things that man has created. It may be just a hunch but I'm wondering if the God we've sought is right there in front us.
MITech wrote:I'm not saying that there is no such thing as god I'm just saying that we should start thinking more logically about this sort of topic.
How do you think logically about this? Logically under the mindset that God is something we can never achieve or discover or get near? Is there anything there that seems logical?...
Think about this. What if... we are simply molecules of protein within a huge body in man within another world and another life... Off the wall but all possible from a logical standpoint. There may be millions of earths within this one body and... heck who knows.
I truly think the answer to all things is not out of mans reach and the funny thing is that man doesn't have to reach that far to discover it, just look around us..............
We know everything but know nothing of our own existence.
Have you or anyone every been looking for something only to discover that we were looking in the wrong place?
So, (logically) to encounter what man has called God, we'd better be looking in the right place.
Peace!