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The philosophies of science...

 
 
BaCaRdi
 
Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 11:29 am
What is "philosophies" of "science"... Well that changes daily, why, well our communication methods continue to evolve, just as we do.

We practice in our lives a lot! To me wouldn't you want to exercise your brain! Well if practice indeed makes "perfection", well I want my Mind, Body and soul to be exercised daily!

Sorry for the Chaos in my posts...Remember where someone see's Chaos, others see absolute order...TRON

What makes something "Chaotic" it's just lack of understanding is all...Wink

Truly Best Regards to all!
-BaC -Montie -Tron, Etc<--talk about split personalities..lol See my point in all of this?
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jgweed
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:00 pm
@BaCaRdi,
On the other hand, philosophy has provided and clarified scientific best practices and the appropriate methodologies for science in general and specific sciences in particular.
Science began as, some might say, branches of philosophy, and then as they became more specialised and able to stand on their own feet, as it were, big a fond adieux to their parents. Yet it seems that the dialogue between scientists and philosophers continues as "Philosophy of Science."
Aedes
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:06 pm
@jgweed,
jgweed;30641 wrote:
On the other hand, philosophy has provided and clarified scientific best practices and the appropriate methodologies for science in general and specific sciences in particular
In a few key moments, but in general science revises and critiques itself, and scientific techniques and methodologies are outgrowths of prior science, not new philosophy.

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Science began as, some might say, branches of philosophy, and then as they became more specialised and able to stand on their own feet, as it were, big a fond adieux to their parents. Yet it seems that the dialogue between scientists and philosophers continues as "Philosophy of Science."
Not many scientists seem to participate in that dialogue, though. It seems from my point of view that philosophers engage in philosophy of science, but scientists do not. Scientists engage in a lot of commentary about science, including more practical things like ethics and bias and method, but not much philosophy of science per se, i.e. not much of the Kuhn- or Popper-like metascience.
validity
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:31 pm
@Aedes,
Aedes wrote:
In a few key moments, but in general science revises and critiques itself, and scientific techniques and methodologies are outgrowths of prior science, not new philosophy.

Not many scientists seem to participate in that dialogue, though. It seems from my point of view that philosophers engage in philosophy of science, but scientists do not. Scientists engage in a lot of commentary about science, including more practical things like ethics and bias and method, but not much philosophy of science per se, i.e. not much of the Kuhn- or Popper-like metascience.


Science being a niche philosophy has perhaps restricted the range of philosophy it needs in its investigative tool belt. For a scientist to proclaim that which is not observable, predictable and measureable, would quite possibly force them out of that niche.
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:49 pm
@validity,
Philosophies are that of communication, and yes..interpretation...

Science is by fact of therefor...

Again changing the words doesn't change the definitions of such...
-BaC
validity wrote:
Science being a niche philosophy has perhaps restricted the range of philosophy it needs in its investigative tool belt. For a scientist to proclaim that which is not observable, predictable and measureable, would quite possibly force them out of that niche.
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paulhanke
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 03:54 pm
@Aedes,
Aedes wrote:
Scientists engage in a lot of commentary about science, including more practical things like ethics and bias and method, but not much philosophy of science per se, i.e. not much of the Kuhn- or Popper-like metascience.


... working for a think-tank full of short people with coke-bottle glasses, I can second that observation ...
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paulhanke
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 04:03 pm
@validity,
validity wrote:
For a scientist to proclaim that which is not observable, predictable and measureable, would quite possibly force them out of that niche.


... so scientists have been taught; so scientists think ... for example, if a scientist happened to be given an education like the one I got, you would never learn that there was such a thing as "philosophy of science" except by dumb luck ... who says logical positivism is dead!!! Wink
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 07:45 pm
@paulhanke,
KAAAAAAPOW! Yeeeee haaa Little doggy...Yee haa I says...

He is a wildly cote for sure.lol
Wink
-BaC
paulhanke wrote:
... so scientists have been taught; so scientists think ... for example, if a scientist happened to be given an education like the one I got, you would never learn that there was such a thing as "philosophy of science" except by dumb luck ... who says logical positivism is dead!!! Wink
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