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deterministic/probabilistic which is it?

 
 
Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 10:17 pm
paulhanke wrote:
can quantum chance bubble as far up as consciousness, or is it weeded out long before that by broken symmetries?


If indeed probability has more influence/characterization in the micro than the macro and determinism has more influence/characterization in the macro than the micro then I would rather not see a fleeting transition point, a membrane barrier between the two, as if they have limits, and as if there are asymptotes in their own little realms. If in case they actually did, it would be gradual would it not? Or would it be like evolution, building up gradually without any seeming change, and then the seeming change happens in a quick moment.

And this phenomenon seems to be parallel in form, not a function sorta thing in reality; as if the very micro is an entity relaying data to the macro, as two separate entities. Yet there could not be two separate functions in the same system, the same plane, in parallel fashion, like overlapping lines. There has to be two planes?

Unless this is true, it makes sense to me that the level of influence of one of these 'themes' per-se should dissipate as it goes to the other level (macro or micro), but not ever loosing its influence completely.

And oddly it seems the macro in this dualistic context can be considered the level we perceive normally. Yet why would there be this 'actual' dichotomy between micro and macro? What does it say about the universe? In actuality there would be no levels, no extension, so all this dichotomic fluff must emerge from potentiality (the mind) and one other objective archetype. But what is this objectiveness coming from? It has to exist, it is a piece to this parallel system.
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:11 pm
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If indeed probability has more influence/characterization in the micro than the macro and determinism has more influence/characterization in the macro than the micro then I would rather not see a fleeting transition point, a membrane barrier between the two, as if they have limits, and as if there are asymptotes in their own little realms. If in case they actually did, it would be gradual would it not? Or would it be like evolution, building up gradually without any seeming change, and then the seeming change happens in a quick moment.


... consider this then ... sugars, proteins, etc., are "handed" (left or right) ... the technical term for this is "chirality" ... in a lifeless universe, left and right handed sugars and proteins appear with equal probability ... however, terrestrial life is contingently left handed - it could easily have gone either way, but by chance the broken symmetry turned toward left-handed chemistry ... and with the contingency of this single broken symmetry, there's a little less chance in the universe ... is that gradual enough? Wink
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