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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 05:10 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;122244 wrote:
In The Netherlands we have like a dozen different political parties. And a real Queen. The parties try to form a mayority government. We normally have christian or social party in this coalition. No wild changes here


Who has a fake queen?
BrightNoon
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 09:37 am
@Aedes,
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Modern liberals since at least FDR (but perhaps all the way back to abolitionism) have been vastly different than libertarians.

Libertarianism is one of the most conservative of all American political schools -- it regards the Constitution nearly as religious dogma and rejects any modern reinterpretation of Constitutional provisions; it rejects federalism (remember THAT debate from the Constitutional convention??); it rejects any sort of federal regulatory authority, including taxation; and some still favor local militias rather than a national military. It's a political school that's still living in the Adams administration.


From a libertarian perspective, what one might call 'modern reinterpretation of the constitutional provisions' is in fact blatent violation of the letter and spirit of the constitution. And lest we forget, even if one absolutely opposes everything stated in the constitution one ought - unless one favors some completely a-democratic system - to respect the concept of a constitution in principle: as a basis for the lawful authority of a consentual government. What meaning does a constitution have if it's viewed as a 'living document' that can be reinterpreted at will to mean something utterly contrary to what it was intended to mean when written? The people in favor of the 'living document' conception like to claim that their opponents are resistance to neccessary changes and are overly dogmatic, etc. Bullocks! The constitution admits of ammendment, just not wanton and a-democratic 'reinterpretation.'

A strict constitutionalist does not reject federalism per se. He rejects the extension of federal authority beyond its constitional limits. Today in the U.S., the federal government is so far beyond those limits, it can't even see them in the distance any longer - sky's the limit. The most basic principle of the constitution is the seperation of powers, not only within the federal government but between the federal and state governments. Yet somehow adherence to that principle puts a fellow on the political fringe. It is no less essential than the first ammendment, or any other provision that's far less controversial these days.

As for being stuck in the Adams administration, I'd rather be unfashionably in his company than in the company of Goldman, Exxon and Haliburton.
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EmperorNero
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2010 07:07 am
@Holiday20310401,
Since those in favor of interpreting the constitution away have the media on their side, their cause becomes noble and helps the downtrodden to get stuff. It's populist to not follow the constitution. It's what gets you elected and ahead as a politician.
All that politicians really have to look out for when ignoring the constitution is not to piss the constitutional moderates off enough at any one step to provoke an armed revolt. Which is unlikely to happen in this fat and hedonistic age. Once they are disarmed, that problem is out of the way.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2010 09:56 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;122253 wrote:
Who has a fake queen?


Someone said so about Queen Elisabeth II of Canada.:whistling:
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