My parents have taught me things that I could not possibly have known without them. Does that mean that they are beyond human understanding, or even beyond my understanding?
I catch your drift, but I do not think that it applies to my argument, because you understand what they taught you they are of course not beyond human understanding, and I am certain that whatever lessons they taught you could have and have been taught to others, however valuable they might be.
Everything in the universe is beyond complete understanding. Why should that deter us from creating definitions?
It shouldnt, and I never said anything of the sort. If you are assuming that I am attacking defining god you are sorely mistaken, for he must be defined for a proof to occur, another problem in proving him or disproving him.
Is logic a "thing" or a "creation"? I think not, logic is a syntactical organization within human cognition and communication. Logic doesn't exist independently of human thought.
Of course logic is a creation in the context of an omnipotent go for that it is within human cognition it is defined as a creation as humans are defined as creations under the omnipotence of god as a primal creator, so taking god as the creator of humans and thus human cognition, god is thus the creator of logic as well as the things whihc logic can syntactially organize.
And to describe something in terms of something else can only be relative.
My wife and I just had a baby, which is the creation of a whole new life. Are we of a fundamentally different nature from our son?
Congratulations:D, but that is not creation in my book ,but manipulation of physical data moving through a natural process. You engaged in a natural process that is definitely within the bounds of the physical framework of the universe. I do not consider human beings capable of fundamentaly
creating anything, just manipulating things within set physical laws and doin' their best with what they got to work with;).
Your baby doesn't bring new matter into the universe, but rather compiles the existing matter in a very unique way, but not a way that is beyond the physical laws of the universe. Essentially we are just compiled from basic elemental building blocks that follow basic rules that we have to play by, but we can be creative in the common sense, we can be cleaver, and trick out new tools by following instructions within the physical constraints of the universe(and this is what science is), but we still gotta play by the rules.