In the UK we don't major or minor ... college is before university ...
I thought these were some interesting comments on the differences in schooling between the U.S. and U.K.
It brings up a series of questions, but maybe for starters: has the American university system become merely a path to a job?
American (And South-Korean) schools is all about competition... Any Americans with their feelings on the subject?
It's competitive in Europe too. Not just anyone gets to go to Oxford.
The WORST thing about higher education in America is that it's exorbitantly expensive, and its price is increasing several times faster than inflation. We've got an 8 week old son and we're already putting money aside for his education.
The BEST thing about higher education in America is that there are so many great choices. There are small liberal arts colleges, large universities, public and private institutions, military colleges, science and technology schools, community colleges, religious colleges, etc. There really is something for everything. Furthermore, there is a tremendous amount of academic expertise in the US, so that a college applicant can fairly easily find a place that's likely to be a good academic fit.
Being an undergraduate at Harvard is not all that different than being an undergraduate at any number of other universities and colleges. But of course Harvard has its graduate schools, professional schools, research, museums, etc, so it stands out in this regard.
If I'm right the American way is:
Drop out or not...
- Primary school
- Secondary School
- High school
- Some college / College preparation school
- University / Professional University
Please tell me how many of them are good. I can only name a handful of all the colleges and universities in my country. I don't say that Harvard or Princeton is better than a random college, it can be the exact opposite. But education differs a lot depending on the schools you go to.
A low level university were many people can get in without competing is so much less rewarding than a school were everyone wants to learn and graduate.
You've basically got it right, except that stopping after highschool is not considered "dropping out". One is only required to complete the 8th grade (what we would call junior highschool - you called it secondary school). Public education is free up through highschool, and most jobs require a highschool diploma. Once you enter college, the student must pay for it.
A bachelor's degree requires attending a full 4-year college, but you can start with a 2-year junior college, which is a completion of basic English, Math, Science, etc. skills, but at a college level.
Just in greater Boston, where I spent the last three years, there are numerous internationally renowned colleges and universities that attract highly competitive applicants from around the world. When you look at their admission criteria, research productivity, and the success of their graduates, they are ALL outstanding colleges. These include Harvard University, Tufts University, Wellesley College, Boston College, Boston University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Brandeis University, and to a lesser extent Northeastern University. The Harvard Medical students whom I taught had come from all of these colleges and universities -- so even Harvard Medical School, which is probably the most selective medical school in the country, recognizes all of these institutions.
All right, but a Harvard degree is worth more than let's say Wellesley College on the job market, if we still have the elite and less-elite colleges.
I wonder if degrees are given that don't belong in a college setting, or if they ignore disciplines that should be included.
I mean, should things like engineering and veterinary medicine be colleges or trade schools?