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Explain why disagreement with Zionism is Anti-Semitic

 
 
SummyF
 
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 12:12 pm
Can someone explain why a disagreement with zionism is anti-Semitic?

and can someone tell me the differences between the gaza strip and the holocaust?

or i speak like hitler when i say something like.....

it is in americas best interest to be involved with israel, because of the israel-Palestinian issue and its affect on the middle east

6 million dollars a day of tax payer dollars should not be spent in israel because there are only about 6 million people in Israel

i hope i dont offend anyone
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Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:32 pm
@SummyF,
Zionism is a broad label. It began as a secular movement, mostly backed by European socialists who were, obviously, of Jewish descent. The spiritual aspect came later, and even later, the fundamentalist aspect.

I would recommend looking into the history. There are plenty of resources.
SummyF
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:48 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;25515 wrote:
Zionism is a broad label. It began as a secular movement, mostly backed by European socialists who were, obviously, of Jewish descent. The spiritual aspect came later, and even later, the fundamentalist aspect.

I would recommend looking into the history. There are plenty of resources.


it would be obvious to assert that i am taking about modern day israel, kadima .

herzl did have a good idea, with the western idea of socialism

but in history the time that i am talking about it specifically 48 to 67 and the treatment the action against non- jews, it important to note that this time in israeli history

in this time the UN called zionism racist
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


this is the specific zionism that i am talking about

a few more examples of the zionism i am talking about is the new wave of jew to israel

likud party ( benyahim betenyahu )

is that enough clarification?????
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2008 03:00 pm
@SummyF,
Let me answer this way - disagreeing with some variation of Zionism does not necessarily make someone an anti-Semite. The history of disagreement within the Zionist community should be enough evidence to support this claim.

But as with any discussion that revolves around religion, or someone's nationality, and especially a discussion that revolves around someone's religion and nationality, we should extremely careful with our language - careful not to oversimplify. Careful to understand first and make judgments second, if we are to judge at all.
SummyF
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2008 07:23 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;25743 wrote:
Let me answer this way - disagreeing with some variation of Zionism does not necessarily make someone an anti-Semite. The history of disagreement within the Zionist community should be enough evidence to support this claim.

But as with any discussion that revolves around religion, or someone's nationality, and especially a discussion that revolves around someone's religion and nationality, we should extremely careful with our language - careful not to oversimplify. Careful to understand first and make judgments second, if we are to judge at all.


With zionism thought there are 3 times in history that make the diffrent zionist

Hrazel the labour(socialist) of course doesnt play much of a role

other two is 1st wave

and 2nd wave

there arent really many diffrent types of zionism. When i watch the t.v. and sharon is talking we know what type of zionist he is and where is from when it comes to the 1st wave
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 12:57 pm
@SummyF,
I think you are oversimplifying Zionism. Now, I'll be the first to admit that I am far from an expert. But there were the original secular Zionists, the various incarnations of Kookism, Gush Emunim, the Hardal.
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