Prisons: Do we need them?

Sorry i was a bit unclear on that, but i don't think you should punish the prostitute if indeed is proven she has been abused or otherwise treated unfairly. The pimp is someone who should go to jail and be charged with trafficking and all other crimes he committed.

The prostitutes should get help to get back into the "normal" society and get an education and a job. Maybe even have to come back weekly to report their status in some extreme cases.

Sadly there are man who prefer the cheap "crack whore" over the more expensive prostitutes. Seems to give them a little bit of power over a woman. Crack whores mostly do things normal prostitutes won't do. We can only imagine what fantasies some men have.

Expending prostitution on a legal scale is also an ethical question. When you say that expanding the regulated prostitution might be a good idea it's almost as if you are saying prostitution is like an everyday store. I know you don't mean it like that, but still.

Prostitution is one of the oldest "profession" there is, and it will not go away for a long long time. Legalizing it makes it more widely available, but not necessarily safer. In my country the prostitutes have their own "labor union" which makes sure safety is guaranteed if you are one of their members. Maybe more countries need these sort of (regional) unions that ensures safety for prostitutes.

The problem is that you can buy beer here starting at 0.19 cent a can (330ml). Water however often costs more for the same amount of 330ml. I think this is where my country screws up. I think the Swedish government indeed screwed up with their monopoly on alcohol. But it does not compare to prostitution which we are discussion right now. You can make your own beer if you want to, but making a prostitute is something that is a little bit trickier. A

I don't know why sex has to be a primary need. In the animal kingdom sex is purely a primary need because of reproducing. Humans often have sex for the sake of it, and less because the want to reproduce. Sex might have some healing effect on some people, but calling it a primary need is something i will argue against. The drive you are talking about is a drive i don't recognize, care to elaborate on that?

Of course a lot of people or Johns as you call them want to have unconditional sex and are willing to pay for it. Their motives might be loneliness or anything else, but still i question why we need sex that desperate. I think it's getting more of a fashion statement these days.

Well, I don't think any prostitute should go to jail really.. But I seem to be pretty alone in that thought...

That's why I keep mentioning that you can't expect a profit... Imagien crack whore prices with uppscale escort girls, wouldn't that be something?
Well, not saying that it is a everyday store but the tactics stay the same nomather what business you're in..

Well, that's also part of the problem.. When it's illegal every saftey-net avalible to legal professions aren't avalible to them so they HAVE TO rely on pimps and gangs to get even a little saftey... And that strengthens the gangs position due to the economical increase and probably gives them influnce material to every John that uses their hookers... Imagien a politician going to a gang's whores and the gang gaining some hard evidence of that purchase, then they would have power to corrupt him, and gaining political power in the process, making them a mob instead of a streetgang...

Haha yeah I'll agree that it's harder to make a prostitute..
But the reason why I brought up our alcohol monopoly where to show the importance of low prices if that monopoly is going to work, the reason why I brought up the avalibility where once again to show the importance of prices to compete with the illegal market..

well Dr. Sigmund Freud belived that every action a man ever does i primarily based on sex, but it can get far fetched... Example: You eat to survive but you want to survive because of sex thus sex is the primary reason to even eat...

I wouldn't like to draw it to that extent but that except eat, drink, sleep, search for knowledge and maybe some more things, the rest of all actions are linked to sex..

This drive that I'm talking about is something that we all have, might happen without you knowing but you still have it, but you still have the drive for sex.. But if you're honest with yourself, I think you know that you have a strong drive for sex too, that you think about sex a bunch of times during the day...The drive I'm talking about is the reason we masturbate and as most animals don't masturbate, our sex have to be different from animals sex, they might not feel the same amount of pleasure from it as we do, or they'd have sex more often then only when the female are able to get pregnant shouldn't they?

And I don't think that wanting unconditionall sex is that desperate... The difference between buying a hooker for that reason ro going to a club is actually really small if you think about it... And they might not like the club?

Only thing I think of as a difference is that there's no challenge... It's like fishing with TNT in a bathtub to buy a hooker... I like the hunt

Prostitutes can be on the wrong side of the law too. I'm not saying they all are but their are some crazies out there that you rather see behind bars because they are a danger to society, which was the question we first talked about. The prostitute thing might be only part of the sentence, or not at all.

Crack whores only want enough money for the drugs the so desperately need. Other prostitutes need to make a living and are more "high class" thus charge more. If the government starts controlling the market the prices are going to be fairly high, because as you see with the alcohol monopoly in your country; the prices are sky high. Prostitution will have the same problem, but in this case we talk about human beings instead of bottles with alcohol. If prices stay "low" the legal prostitute is more interesting that the crack whores, I'll give you that. However there always will be males and females who go for the crack whores, maybe because of the prices, maybe because they like it.

Yes, and it indeed happens. Just Yesterday some US politician was "caught" with an escort girl in a hotel, and he will probably resign. But i think politicians need to set the right example. If they fail they should resign. This is just about integrity of our "leaders".

Of course prostitution will be safer if it's more widely available, however it also will be used more and that will cause problems.

I'm not Dr Sigmund Freud, and i think that we have gone far enough to shake of our need for sex. Of course it should not disappear, and it can be fun, but still the need some people have is just not healthy to me.

The fact that i have not killed myself already is not linked to sex. It's linked to the fact that i want to unravel some mysteries, even if it's only for my sake. Sex is important for humans, but still it's not as if everything should be linked to pure sex. There are enough people who either don't like sex or just don't feel the need for it. These people are often catagorized as Asexual... If we need a drive, it's mostly because we are looking for love. We all want to be loved, sex is just a part of it.

Humans are more sophisticated that animals and we have linked sex with pleasure, however i still don't see the need, and the drive you talk about is one i had years ago when sex was still new, but it's not now and i don't really care about it anymore. Maybe it's because I'm single for the last 2 years and don't really bothered with girl that much, maybe I'm different from the herd and don't have that drive (anymore).

Your right with on this one, all i can say is: Have a great Hunt!

Yeah I guess there's allways going to be the man who hates his 9-5job, has a wife and kids that buys crack whores and have sex with them in a dirty abandoned crach house and pays extra do get to do it without a condom... But still I think it's worth it if it help a single prostitute and costs a million $ of taxpayers money... Might I be the only one on this site that thinks like that? Might it be bacause I'm a sweed? As we have that kind of system and mentality?

example: recently there was a young guy here in the area who had some wierd illness and the meds would cost the government, as they pay for it here, a few millions every year, his "state" was a small state and didn't want to take that cost, then the neighbouring "state" which happend to be where our capital is located told them to register him in their "state" and they would pay for it.. Best tax money ever spent if you ask me...

Like what problems?

You're talking about some sexaddicts or something, and no, that's not healthy as any addiction... But if anything, sex is one need that won't go away by natural evolution...

Laughed when I read that.. But doesn't A-sexuals usually go of on something els? Like power, money or stuff like that? Then that's just a really wierd sexual orientation besides the normal straight, bi and gay isn't it? They have replaced that drive with something els..

Thing is: I don't belive in love, atleast not "romantic love"... I don't belive in that we are have a soulmate and monogomy... I think that "love" is just missplaced anger, frustration, attraction and interests all rolled into one... NOTE: I belive in like brotherly love and love between two firends and all that, but that just comes down to loyalty in the end and is like a alliance between two people who look out for eachother mainly because everybody need somebody in their corner... That's like a Lion den, they group together to protect eachother...

You might be A-sexual? The quest to "unravel some mysteries" might be your sex?

Hmm, this conversation went from the need of prisons to drugs to prostitutes and finally my sexual orientation, might be a sign we should return to the topics main theme.

I completely understand why you think that, but i don't value human life like that, i don't value it at all. Like Nietzsche said; "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal. I believe we as humans are a bridge, a bridge that will be burned after it has been crossed.

Medicines and treatment mostly costs more than the mere millions you are talking about. Taking a country the size of Sweden you will be talking about a few billions a year.

Androgyny proved differently.

1. I don't value human lives so much as I might seem to do, but I think the governments job is to help everybody they can for any price.. And about the medicin cost: It was his one medicin that would cost millions...

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I have no idea what that is...

So i did read it right, however i still find that if treatment costs millions I'd rather spend it on 10.000 people instead of 1. Ethical responsible or not.

Androgyny means you are both male and female. You don't need a partner to reproduce yourself. In nature some species have this ability, like worms.
You can say that even this case you need sex in some sort of way with yourself, but thats a little far fetched.

They should do both... And I would be willing to pay taxes to pay for both..


Ah, yes ofcourse... But I was meaning to dissapear with our evolution, if we would one day become "androgyny", then ofcourse our sexdrive would probably dissapear... But what I meant was that we aren't ever going to be so technologically advanced, spiritually advanced or mentally advanced by evolution so our sexdrive will dissapear or probably even slowdown...