@Dustin phil,
Dustin wrote:
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nameless 
Excellent question.
Forgive me if I ignore your 'limitation' of god by calling It 'infinite'. 'Infinite' is a cognitively meaningless concept. We cannot conceive of it. Nor has it ever been proven to exist (especially as it cannot be conceived), so..
Actually 'jnana yoga' is a 'path' of knowledge/learning. True and sincere mental pursuit can and has led people to mystical experience.
There is no 'understanding' of Consciousness/god... that is what ineffable means.
Well I actually agree that words are inadequate to describe something immeasurable. It seems we prefer or use different words based on individual experience, and this sometimes leads to misunderstandings.
Unless perspectives are very close, so true.
Words in themselves are seductive lies. They have no truth or meaning other than that which you individually 'see'. It's up to us 'pattern seeking perspectives' to discern the patterns of words for ourselves and find 'meaning' in the oddest and sometimes 'maddest' things. Communicating that is easy when perspectives are close..
Words, in themselves, are part of 'creation'. They suffer all the limitations of creation/existence. They cannot possibly be of any but figurative and metaphoric/poetic assistance in 'pointing' at the 'Ineffable', the 'Creator', the 'non-dual/non-contextual'. So 'words' from our limited, ('created' dualistic) concepts can never be taken literally, otherwise the Creator will be limited by having to conform to a 'definition' (become the created).
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'God/Consciousness' cannot be 'experienced by an 'individual', as the closer one gets to that 'absolute Oneness', the more the ego of individual 'knower', 'I', must dissolve, as a wave returning to the sea. There is naught that is 'Real/True' but 'God/Consciousness'. We are not more than Perspectives of Consciousness upon the Chaos of Mind.
Okay, so maybe the word "experience," to Meister Eckhart isn't the best word;
I don't know what Meister Eckhart thought. I know what I think. I related my thoughts, not his, other than the quote as a bit of icing on the cake..
Quote:So in essence what this person is trying to say,
These thoughts and experiences, that I express, are mine. If I take something from another source, I will give attribute. The quote (paraphrase) is his. Thats all. OK? I'm speaking from personal 'reality'.
Quote: is that after the "I" dissolves there is a sense of oneness or knowing of God / Consciousness.
Yes, pretty close to my intended communication.
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'It is only by us that God can know Itself.' -Meister Eckhart
I can agree somewhat with this statement, but I would also say we are "individualizations" of the One Consciousness (yet one) - and can also know one another this way.
I am looking at this pile of words that you have offered to me (us) and can see great meaning, from this perspective.
An (aparent) "individualisation" of Consciousness is what I am calling 'Perspective'; you, me.. Like those blue sparks that jump to your fingers when you touch that toy glass globe.. One Consciousness (globe) many 'sparks', Perspectives of the 'center'; the elephant, Mind (of/is God), Chaos, undifferentiated potential, all possibilities (which are 'actualized/seen' by all Perspectives, hence, all being 'correct'), quantum wave field,...
That is the meaning to the saying;
"To know 'Self', is to know all 'Self' (everyOne)." - Book of Fudd
We are all of (One) Consciousness and can therein find source of empathic 'connection'. All, in the moment, are One, truly, so knowing 'self'... everyone is 'self'...
(This explains, quite neatly, all 'psychic' experiences. Psychic experience only seems odd from the perspectives of there being 'seperate things', as opposed to 'One')
Your words hit the nail on the head, from 'this' perspective. I hope that it is similar from 'that' perspective..
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So therein also lies the truth of;
"All Perspectives (us'ns) are 'correct' (from our unique points-of-view), all are necessarily incomplete (to one extent or another)." - Book of Fudd
Peace
