Must all that is concievable exist?

I understand ignorance as a prerequisite to sustainable knowledge

Math (logic data) can be soulful, because emotion (torsion energy waves) is contained in the spacetime Flux set.

you don't know the meaning of =/= special gnosis that no one else is privy to

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You got me

What are "torsion energy waves"

ah, here we get into another mind screw about "what is existence?" I think what your getting at is, can something that exists ideologically, not exist literally? So saying something like "it is a fact that Harry Potter got off with Ginny Weasley", which is true cos he did...ideologically at least, so is it possible for this to be the case and yet for it also to be true, that there literally is no Harry Potter to get off with Ginny Weasley? I think so, but the question is how? How does this work?

I think it it lies in the same vein as, "how can an electrochemical signal induce an experiance of emotion?", which is a good question. I think the answer is, "in the same way an electrical signal in a computer can play an mp3 file of Mozart" in other words it's all a matter of information, and the way in which it is carried. I mean I guess there is some scientific reason why if you have a certain arrangment of cells and chemicals and electrical signals and the like you will have all the components to form a consciousness, science accounts for some wacky stuff so I don't see how that is any different...so I guess the idea there would be that technically speaking all ideological facts are actually physical facts in terms of them being an electrical signal, its just that we experiance these cognitive sensations in a certain way as we decode the information. Tis an idea at least.

So when you ask "Is it true that Harry Potter got off with Ginny Weasley" I guess the answer is "it is true that that is imagined happening" meaning there literally exists the cognitive messages carrying that idea (information) from neuron to neuron.

This is assuming however, that our mind exists completely in this bubble of space/time called a universe though, which it might not of course. I don't think there is any doubt that there is causal relation between mind and body but mere causal relation doesn't nessasarily suggest they are utterly dependant on each other. In this case it is very possible that things can exist ideologically but not literally as they are of a different substance alltogthar. One is still left with the problem of how these causal relations between physical and mental actually work of course, I guess the answer there would be "well it's a mystery, but then so much is, take quantum physics for example! If you think you understand it you really don't!"

I can conceive of an extra-terrestrial, but an extra-terrrestrial, does not exist. If whatever one can conceive of exists, then astronomers would not have to wonder whether extra-terrestrials exist. They would know they exist, since they can conceive of them. Why, then, do you suppose that astronomers are trying to find out whether ETs exist, if they can conceive of them, since if it is true that what can be conceived of must exist? Therefore, ETs must exist, since we can conceive of them. (And that goes for the the famous, Flying Spaghetti Monster, too!). It's magic!